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 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


Usually, if the profile has been created 'today' and has no personal profile deets other than the name of a composer (usually Zimmer), it's most likely to be a bot.


Well that settles it. Anyone with Zimmer as their favorite composer in their profile are trolls and should be banned. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Just a quick additional thought, which is of course obvious - with trolls/spammers such as karlina/emiliano, what they are looking for is attention from getting replies, any kind of response at all. However tempting, I'd refrain for responding. If they don't get any attention they'll soon go elsewhere. Hopefully.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

"emiliano" has left the building. Next troll idiot incoming in 3... 2... 1...

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

I remember years ago when spammers were met with outrage (which is what they wanted). This seemed more to be a source of......meh, you want to try this? no-one is taking you seriously.

Actually, spammers want you to click on their links (and then do or get whatever they have ready for you), it's trolls that want you to get outraged. Spammers do it for the money, trolls for the heck of it. There are possibly some hybrid forms, though you do not encounter them often in the wild.


Dammit. I’m getting so old I forgot the difference.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

The obvious answer is this:

1.) Lock the board from allowing new members for, say, six weeks. Six months preferred, as the longer its locked spam bots will slowly dwindle off.

2.) (If this is possible, as I don't know what it looks like "under the hood") While the board is locked, delete all members who haven't been active in the last six months minimum. Bots and trolls have a habit of making a bunch of dupe accounts all at once in the case that they're locked out of an account later on. Again, a longer timeline - ex: accounts inactive for the last year, accounts inactive for the last five years - would be even better but that may be too much work.

3.) Maybe, eventually, possibly reopen the board to public sign-ups

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I remember years ago when spammers were met with outrage (which is what they wanted). This seemed more to be a source of......meh, you want to try this? no-one is taking you seriously.

Actually, spammers want you to click on their links (and then do or get whatever they have ready for you), it's trolls that want you to get outraged. Spammers do it for the money, trolls for the heck of it. There are possibly some hybrid forms, though you do not encounter them often in the wild.


Dammit. I’m getting so old I forgot the difference.


Haha... I have a collection of internet scams, trojans, viruses, etc. I find some of these quite interesting. I used to sometimes reply to spammers to. I remember I once replied to the typical Nigeria "you have the last name of my deceased client we need to get the money out of the country" spam mail, pretending to be an elderly woman who just lost her husband and was now the first time she was at the computer and would do anything to help. It was hilarious, the responses I got (from somebody obviously now thinking he found an easy victim). I later published these in what was back then a Yahoo group, lots of fun.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

The obvious answer is this:

1.) Lock the board from allowing new members for, say, six weeks. Six months preferred, as the longer its locked spam bots will slowly dwindle off.


I think that would definitely keep new members more away than spammers. Yes, it will keep spam bots away, but I don't think I would want to keep spam bots away at the cost of keeping actually interested members away.


2.) (If this is possible, as I don't know what it looks like "under the hood") While the board is locked, delete all members who haven't been active in the last six months minimum. Bots and trolls have a habit of making a bunch of dupe accounts all at once in the case that they're locked out of an account later on. Again, a longer timeline - ex: accounts inactive for the last year, accounts inactive for the last five years - would be even better but that may be too much work.


That's also not such a good idea. I once took a break from this board that was easily 5 years long, and then returned one day. I likely would not come back were it not for the fact that I still had an account. Sometimes people don't post anything for a while for various reasons.

It's not as if the spam on this board is that much of a problem.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


1.) Lock the board from allowing new members for, say, six weeks. Six months preferred, as the longer its locked spam bots will slowly dwindle off.


The way things are going in the world will all be dead in six months. Problem solved.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 7:08 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

1.) Lock the board from allowing new members for, say, six weeks. Six months preferred, as the longer its locked spam bots will slowly dwindle off.

2.) (If this is possible, as I don't know what it looks like "under the hood") While the board is locked, delete all members who haven't been active in the last six months minimum. Bots and trolls have a habit of making a bunch of dupe accounts all at once in the case that they're locked out of an account later on. Again, a longer timeline - ex: accounts inactive for the last year, accounts inactive for the last five years - would be even better but that may be too much work.

3.) Maybe, eventually, possibly reopen the board to public sign-ups



I must say, I think this is a bad plan. It would keep out sincere new members, and if you knew how many of us have passed away over the last 22 years (my time here), we can't afford that. This needs to be a living forum. Do you really want to lock out the next guy who could be a great member?

Also, deleting inactive members would sweep out some genuine folks who don't pop by as often as we'd like.

The best answer is Do Not Reply to obvious bots and trolls, and such accounts should be deleted on a case by case basis.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I must say, I think this is a bad plan. It would keep out sincere new members, and if you knew how many of us have passed away over the last 23 years (my time here), we can't afford that. This needs to be a living forum.

Well its something of a coin flip: do you want less spammers or do you want a public forum? As the board's tech hasn't been updated much in 20 years, we're more vulnerable to bots than other sites. (Similarly, you can't be 100% free of bots ever, no matter how much you update.)

That said, while I feel for people leaving and coming back, at the same time, this is not often the case. The people that are active are "the regulars" and we all know each other by our level of activity. FSM is insular because of its lack of new people already, blocking the trickle of new members wouldn't change that much if at all.

That said, I'm also not married to this idea. I'm just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. But it would solve the spam issue outright.

The best answer is Do Not Reply to obvious bots and trolls, and such accounts should be deleted on a case by case basis.

As much as I agree with this - and I use the "block" feature here A LOT - its also only masking the symptoms unless *everyone* here does it. (We also go much, much deeper into the rabbit hole if we throw Trolls into this Spam discussion, so perhaps thats best left for another thread?)

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



Well its something of a coin flip: do you want less spammers or do you want a public forum?


That's definitely easy to answer for me. If the option is either A) "no spammers and no new members" or B) "new members and the occasional spammer", I will take option B any time.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

The best answer is Do Not Reply to obvious bots and trolls, and such accounts should be deleted on a case by case basis.

This. I'm not bothered by the bots; they get deleted fairly quickly.

However, there are members of this board who regularly post inflammatory attacks on the labels that are the last sources we have for the music we enjoy and that's really beginning to wear thin. I don't want them banned, but by now it should be abundantly clear that responding with reason and persuasion as if these attacks were thoughtful, sensible opinions is just pointless. Real criticism should be specific and informative and propose improvements. However, these posters (posers?) want attention first and last, so when you see something that looks like another baseless complaint or attack PLEASE pass over in silence. Noise and fire both die in a vacuum.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

If you could IP block the twirp would be perma gone. But we can't.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Double post.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

If you could IP block the twirp would be perma gone. But we can't.

VPNs have made IP bans impossible. That said, a known IP address could absolutely be reported to the abuse email of an internet provider - and enough reports could have their service pulled.

Noise and fire both die in a vacuum.

I like this.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

There is no one here. They all have packed up and went to Fred’s Discount.

It is probably the people who own FSM to generate revenue from advertisements, more post, more money. Got it now.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

"emiliano". Fave composer is ...

at least this bot is a THEY CALL ME TRINITY fan.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

There is no one here. They all have packed up and went to Fred’s Discount.

It is probably the people who own FSM to generate revenue from advertisements, more post, more money. Got it now.


Yeah, it's all about the enormous amount of wealth and splendor that Lukas generates from us bickering here on this site, riches which have not been seen since the days of Salomon.

 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


Today on my blog, in response to the latest barrage of spam on the FSM board...

https://www.lukaskendall.com/post/i-hate-spam

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2022 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Today on my blog, in response to the latest barrage of spam on the FSM board...

https://www.lukaskendall.com/post/i-hate-spam


Sounds like.a.bot, to me.


Just kiddin'smile

 
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