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 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Some Giacchinos, Göranssons and Desplats -- and mostly those to films and franchises I already care much about where their presence is an annoyance.

Other than that, I tend to focus on what's real; what actually happened and then evaluate the scores accordingly. I just don't have the "speculation gene" that many film score fans seem to have.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

It pains me to say this as Mark Isham is my main man but the recent Bill and Ted film should really have had David Newman back.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

James Horner- Dragonslayer
John Williams- Dragonslayer
Jerry Goldsmith- Dragonslayer
Basil Poledouris- Dragonslayer

Anyone other than Alex North Dragonslayer.


Baz would have been nice.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Good shout spook, but even a balls-to-the-wall HUGE David Newman score wouldn't have saved that dog of a film.
I can't believe I wanted a third B&T film for such a long time.
Be careful what you wish for, eh.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

James Horner for Star Trek 4 immediately comes to mind.

Bingo

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Oh yeah, I forgot about that terrible mis-fire of a score for the third B&T film. Yes, it couldn't have saved the film, but a final closing chapter fun orchestral score with dramatic moments from []b]Newman, would have still been great.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   tiomkinfan   (Member)

Cleopatra - Needed a more emotional score, preferably by Miklos Rosza, Alfred Newman or Dimitri Tiomkin.-

2001 - Needed a score, not phonograph recordings. Why, oh why, dump the Alex North score?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Bill Conti or John Barry for GOLDENEYE.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

It pains me to say this as Mark Isham is my main man but the recent Bill and Ted film should really have had David Newman back.

Mother of mercy, yes. Isham’s Face the Music score was just... there. Listening to Newman’s Bogus Journey on the way home from the theater really underlined what Newman brought to the first two movies.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   Charlie Chan   (Member)

James Horner for Star Trek 4 immediately comes to mind.

Bingo


Ah this seems to be a popular choice. Star Trek IV:Lord of the Hellfighters

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Charlie Chan   (Member)

Hi Folks

Don't really wish it had different music but after Samson and Delilah I would have really liked to have heard a Victor Young Score for the Ten Commandments.

CC

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   alepa   (Member)

Transformers in more symphonic mode (Arnold?)

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

OH, goodness, how could I forget: "Psycho 3".

Anyone (other than Zimmer) than what we got in that film.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

Jerry Goldsmith for Star Trek: Generations. The producers wanted him, but hadn't figured him into the budget. McCarthy's score wasn't bad, but there's a gaping chasm between what he wrote for that movie and what he originally brought to the show on Encounter at Farpoint. May as well be two different composers.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I can think of two films I wish had a better score: Star Trek IV and Never Say Never Again.

Love them both, honestly can't quite understand the negative vibes folks throw at these scores. I thought each worked exactly right in the film, and added a fresh approach to aging franchises. (Well, both composers were not exactly treading new ground, so I mean within the franchises rather than fresh approaches by the composers.) But then I love both composers and don't much care what they do, I'm gonna enjoy it.

Me, I don't wish for this kind of thing. But there are times I do wish the music would quiet down or shut the hell up. Even with thousands of scores I enjoy for listening, there are times that music for me is too much for the scenes or film. I'm never sorry when there's no music in a given scene, or even movie.

Awakenings was one example where I thought the music was fairly killing the film with sentiment. Didn't need a different composer, just a more restrained approach. (He says about 30 years later after watching half the movie, so he may not be on track with this, memory being a pointy bird flying away in the night.)

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

: Star Trek IV.

Love them both, honestly can't quite understand the negative vibes.


Probably to do with the film is the third chapter in a trilogy of sorts and since the prior two films were scored by Horner, the complete tonal shift into a different style didn't set well with some. The scores to TWOK and TSFS were so damned glorious, the music for TVH fell kind of flat as it abandoned all of the themes and the feel of the prior two. I imagine Horner would have come up with something along the lines of Cocoon.

I don't mind Roesnmann's score on its own as much, but it would be as if Lalo Schifrin came into do Return of the Jedi rather than Williams. The music would no doubt be fine, but far from what the trilogy was establishing.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

As someone there at the time, I've gotta say that IV never felt like the third chapter of a trilogy to me.

II and III are inextricably tied together, and yes of course, IV carries on the story - especially in the early scenes on Earth and Vulcan and the final sequence. But the movie went in a very new direction, the bulk of which has nothing to do with the story set up in II and III.

So I think the new direction in music was actually a good way to say "hey this isn't part three, we're doing something different here."

It's just not a fair comparison to ROTJ - which was the third official story in the franchise. Whereas ST IV is more like the 80th!

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   Louis Latzer   (Member)

I must agree with everyone who has listed GOLDENEYE. There are a couple of nice, quiet scenes that work for me, but this is a BOND film for crying out loud! It needed someone who could do action. The only action scene that works is the drive through St. Petersburg, and that's because it's scored by Norman & Barry! I don't know who would have been the right choice, but not this.

 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2022 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

As someone there at the time, I've gotta say that IV never felt like the third chapter of a trilogy to me.

I was there with ya and I went into it looking forward to the resolution of the story. Mostly because III ended on an unresolved note.

II and III are inextricably tied together, and yes of course, IV carries on the story - especially in the early scenes on Earth and Vulcan and the final sequence. But the movie went in a very new direction, the bulk of which has nothing to do with the story set up in II and III.

So I think the new direction in music was actually a good way to say "hey this isn't part three, we're doing something different here."

It's just not a fair comparison to ROTJ - which was the third official story in the franchise. Whereas ST IV is more like the 80th!


I see what you're saying buy in a way ROTJ did the same thing with the first act having literally nothing to do with the rest of the story. It existed to get Han free. After that, no mention was made of it. Also, other than Vader's revelation, there's no connection to Hoth or the events of TESB. Jedi is a resolution of a premise set up previously but once you get past the Tatooine portion, you can almost skip Empire from the first movie and not be lost. You just need to know Vader is Luke's father and Luke was trained by Yoda.

Harve Bennett considered it a trilogy, but Nick Meyer didn't because he was simply tasked with the middle portion.

 
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