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 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Now the only thing left is THE SPECIALIST cool

It was on the La La Land list a couple of years ago but fell through. However, it must surely be a possibility?



I doubt this will ever come out now. My understanding is the new structure at Warners does not support labels in the release of its film scores any more, effectively cutting off that whole line of film scores.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)


My understanding is the new structure at Warners does not support labels in the release of its film scores any more, effectively cutting off that whole line of film scores.

Cheers


La-La Land released The Swarm in 2020 and reissued A.I. Artificial Intelligence in 2021, both licensed from Warner Brothers.

Intrada released Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves in 2020 as well.

In the past 3 years, Varese's Club line has included US Marshals, Wild Wild West, Looney Tunes Back In Action, The Matrix, Elf, The Iron Giant, Presumed Innocent, and LA Confidential, all from Warners.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Arguably, Barry's last really great film score.


I disagree with that.

Even I concede that the 1990s was a decade in which some of Barry's scores were not very special.

They were always good, polished film scores, just not always very special.

However, I think Indecent Proposal, The Specialist and Playing By Heart were three great film scores after Chaplin.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   keky   (Member)

Arguably, Barry's last really great film score.


I disagree with that.

Even I concede that the 1990s was a decade in which some of Barry's scores were not very special.

They were always good, polished film scores, just not always very special.

However, I think Indecent Proposal, The Specialist and Playing By Heart were three great film scores after Chaplin.

Cheers


I would add Swept from the Sea. One of my all time favourite Barry scores from 1997.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

La-La Land released The Swarm in 2020 and reissued A.I. Artificial Intelligence in 2021, both licensed from Warner Brothers.

Intrada released Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves in 2020 as well.

In the past 3 years, Varese's Club line has included US Marshals, Wild Wild West, Looney Tunes Back In Action, The Matrix, Elf, The Iron Giant, Presumed Innocent, and LA Confidential, all from Warners.



I can't dispute that, I'm just remembering when Lukas Kendall posted this a few weeks ago:


In recent years, Warner Bros. has pivoted away from doing soundtrack album licenses at all, for a bunch of reasons that have to do with corporate ownership and directives, which I’m not really qualified to analyze—and even if I was, I’d probably keep my mouth shut.

Warner Bros. is a magnificent studio with a ton of film and TV music that they could monetize—and at the moment they don’t want to invest the resources into the legal clearances and research to do it.


Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

Arguably, Barry's last really great film score.


I disagree with that.

Even I concede that the 1990s was a decade in which some of Barry's scores were not very special.

They were always good, polished film scores, just not always very special.

However, I think Indecent Proposal, The Specialist and Playing By Heart were three great film scores after Chaplin.

Cheers




I would add Swept from the Sea. One of my all time favourite Barry scores from 1997.




I don't disagree that you disagree with me.

I do like those scores, too. Playing By Heart is a great favourite of mine. I listen to it more often than Chaplin. But I feel a certain tiredness in it that's not present in Chaplin.

The Specialist has two wonderful themes. Superb music. However... they are reprised ad nauseam. That's why the entire score is not as great for me as Chaplin. (I've even seen the film back then on the big screen only because of JB writing the score - no other reason, honest.)

I'm only familiar with the 25 minute suite from Indecent Proposal, and it's almost 30 years since I've seen the film. Back then, the score didn't make much of an impression on me. The suite is nice but not great. But I hear the expanded CD is much better. Is it? I can't bring myself to watch that film again. So we keep our differences here.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

Enigma, Barry's last film score, has a beautiful main theme, but the rest of the music is admittedly lazy. The same can be said about most of his 90s work.

It seems Barry poured his last great efforts at nailing a good theme (and he almost always delivered) and basically went on auto-pilot after that. The movies he scored didn't help much either, and Barry was known for feeling very inspired if he had a good story to work with, or at the very least a high-profile film that could promote his name.

On the other hand, he also failed to find an interest in action movies by then, and the results are obvious. In the end, he just kept waiting for an extraordinary film to come his way, but that never happened after Dances with Wolves.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)



I can't dispute that, I'm just remembering when Lukas Kendall posted this a few weeks ago:


In recent years, Warner Bros. has pivoted away from doing soundtrack album licenses at all, for a bunch of reasons that have to do with corporate ownership and directives, which I’m not really qualified to analyze—and even if I was, I’d probably keep my mouth shut.

Warner Bros. is a magnificent studio with a ton of film and TV music that they could monetize—and at the moment they don’t want to invest the resources into the legal clearances and research to do it.


Cheers


Thanks for that, Lukas actually has 2 blog posts that mention the current state of score licensing at WB

https://www.lukaskendall.com/post/the-dumbest-thing-i-hated-producing-cds-warner-bros-art-licenses

https://www.lukaskendall.com/post/warner-bros-layoffs

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

Will the vocal stylings of Robert Downey Jr. be included?

You'll be able to create a playlist of the original album with this new release.


This is a feature I may never need, but I think it's great that you reliably do this whenever you can.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Now the only thing left is THE SPECIALIST cool

It was on the La La Land list a couple of years ago but fell through. However, it must surely be a possibility?



I doubt this will ever come out now. My understanding is the new structure at Warners does not support labels in the release of its film scores any more, effectively cutting off that whole line of film scores.

Cheers


Did we believe that the Bond scores would ever be expanded or Disney would coperate with The Black Hole or the rejected score for The Golden Child would be released? . My point is that Executives move on and are replaced, attitudes and strategy change, tapes thought to be in landfill, turn up.

There is always hope.

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Enigma, Barry's last film score, has a beautiful main theme, but the rest of the music is admittedly lazy. The same can be said about most of his 90s work.

It seems Barry poured his last great efforts at nailing a good theme (and he almost always delivered) and basically went on auto-pilot after that. ..Alex


I couldn't disagree more. Perhaps it helps not being a musician but simply someone who enjoys music. For the dozen films he scored after Dances with Wolves (1990) I can't say any were disappointing ... or lazy. Certainly he had a style which he mastered and he delivered scores which worked. I consider his last, Enigma (2001) a superb work which does exactly what the film needs and is a great listen seperated from the visuals.

The Specialist (1994) is my favourite score of the 1990's; his scoring of Indecent Proposal (1994) achieved the nigh-on impossible: it allowed the viewer to like the Robert Redford character. In scoring the relationship between Art and Simon in Mercury Rising (1998) Barry made the film work ... a standard by-the-numbers action score would have destroyed the film. When you watch Playing by Heart (1998) it's Barry's music which grabs and tells you this is something special ... you can't help becoming involved with the characters.

I'm not sure when I'll get this latest expansion - I hope it has fuller sound than the existing release - but I'm doubtful it will improve on the wonderful album quality of that release (ignoring the RD jnr. vocal, of course!)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Indecent Proposal and Enigma are among my least favorite Barry scores.

Playing by Heart: That closing dance scene is masterfully scored.

The Specialist has so much more than 2 themes--there's haunting choral work, great suspense cues, and that scherzo that opens the score.

I think Ruby Cairo is underrated. On album it's a very nice listening experience.

I do think Chaplin is the best score he did after Dances With Wolves.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 5:41 PM   
 By:   bladerunner76   (Member)

I’d pick up a new Swept from the Sea in a heartbeat. Adore that one

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   scrapsly   (Member)

I came to the FSM website just now and was going to look for a Chaplin thread. I was going to ask if anybody had any idea how much music was missing from the original Chaplin CD and to my amazement I saw this thread lol. WOW ! The opening scene where Robert Downey Jr. (Chaplin) is staring in the mirror and Barry’s haunting main theme is playing is just phenomenal. Film scoring at its best ! Great release LLL ! Thank you. I hope Scarlet Letter, Across the Sea of Time, Swept from the Sea, Cry the Beloved Country, The Specialist, Mercury Rising, Enigma and many other previous Barry releases can get the updated treatment. Still hoping some of Barry’s unreleased works can see the light of day with a legitimate release. I do not know what label can release what studio's or if there is any extra music to release. Many of you here do a good job keeping up with all that. I just enjoy the music. If it is a Barry release, I will buy it. When are we going to be able to order Chaplin ? January 13th ? Thank you LLL !

 
 Posted:   Jan 2, 2023 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Posts like above always move me. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2023 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   Zack371   (Member)

I wasn't familiar with this score at all. Upon seeing the announcement, I gave the OST a listen on Spotify. What a whimsically lovely score. Instantly ordering the new LLL release.

Thanks for introducing me to something completely new to me, LLL. Can't wait to receive this. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2023 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

CHAPLIN: 30th ANNIVERSARY EXPANDED LIMITED EDITION
LLLCD 1614

Music by John Barry
Limited Edition of 3000 Units

RETAIL PRICE: $21.98
STARTS SHIPPING JAN 20

Order yours from www.lalalandrecords.com starting12 noon (pst) on 1/13.

La-La Land Records, StudioCanal and Sony Classical celebrate the 30th Anniversary of the 1992 big-screen biographical drama CHAPLIN with a newly remastered, deluxe presentation of the film’s original motion picture score by legendary composer John Barry. Barry’s notable and elegant orchestral score, considered one of late composer’s last great works for the cinema, is an integral part of this creative and thoughtful chronicling of the career of the great Charlie Chaplin starring Robert Downey, Jr. and directed by Richard Attenborough. Romantic, dramatic, comedic and more, Barry’s diverse and thematically rich original score, recorded at Abbey Road with the English Chamber Orchestra, also interpolates a number of Chaplin’s own music compositions such as “Smile” and his scores to CITY LIGHTS and LIMELIGHT. Produced by Neil S. Bulk and mastered by Doug Schwartz, this special limited edition CD presentation is expanded with previously unreleased material and includes exclusive liner notes by journalist/author Jon Burlingame. This release is limited to 3000 units and features art design by Scott Saslow.

TRACK LISTING:

1. Chaplin-Main Theme 3:08
2. Hannah’s Hope† / Workhouse Chase / Mudflats 3:00
3. To The Asylum :57
4. Charlie On Riverbank 1:10
5. Charlie Proposes 3:01
6. Charlie Goes To The U.S. 2:57
7. In The Cutting Room 2:15
8. Discovering The Tramp / The Wedding Chase 4:03
9. Funny With A Hose / This Is My Work 1:26
10. News Of Hetty 1:01
11. Chaplin’s Studio Opening 1:58
12. The Roll Dance 2:34
13. To Salt Lake City 1:07
14. Salt Lake City Episode* 2:11
15. Tea For Four† 1:14
16. Hetty’s Dead / Smile** 2:43
17. Remembering Hetty 2:58
18. I Had No Home :31
19. From London To L.A. 3:21
20. The Hungry People / Smile** 1:50
21. Farewell Sweet Prince** 1:25
22. Joan Out Of Control :58
23. Joan Barry Trouble / Oona Arrives 2:15
24. Premiere Fanfare :43
25. It’s All Over / Guilty 1:20
26. Theme From “Limelight”* :48
27. They’ve Thrown You Out 1:14
28. Madness, Charlie? 1:00
29. Smile** 2:05
30. The Roll Dance 1:48
31. Chaplin-Main Theme / Smile* 4:47
32. Smile** 3:37

TOTAL SCORE TIME 66:25

ORIGINAL ALBUM SUITES

33. Early Days In London† 4:18
34. To California / The Cutting Room 3:44
35. News Of Hetty’s Death / Smile** 3:43

TOTAL SUITES TIME 11:48
TOTAL ALBUM TIME 78:13

*Composed by Charles Chaplin
**Contains “Smile” composed by Charles Chaplin
† Contains “The Honeysuckle and the Bee” by William Penn and Albert H. Fitz

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2023 - 6:55 PM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

Two great composers on the same album. It's a treat to listen to both John Barry and Charlie Chaplin, the latter of whom many don't know was an accomplished musician who composed the music for some of his own films, notably 'Modern Times' and 'City Lights'. 'Modern Times' is one of my favorite film scores from the 1930s.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2023 - 10:09 PM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

Cannot wait to place my order tonight, together with Dracula and the BF titles!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2023 - 10:23 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

So, if my calculations are correct - "just" 30:37 min of previously unreleased music (including Chaplin own themes). smile
Can't wait!

 
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