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 Posted:   Jan 15, 2023 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Define "major label".

Ron, if you read up to Bond1965's post a few post up, that's what I was referring to. I meant no disrespect to any of our beloved labels, nor I think did Bond1965, but I do agree that they are "independents" as defined differently from "majors."


His main argument was Disney was likely to hoard the rights to the soundtracks because MUH MONEYZ! or something.

One small problem with that argument...Disney DOES NOT OWN THE RIGHTS to the first four Indiana Jones movies. ViacomCBS does. If that includes the master tapes for the soundtracks, then this whole series of arguments is being made in bad faith by a man who clearly doesn't know WTF he's talking about.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2023 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Mark malmstrom   (Member)

I would love the complete film edit of the end credits as a bonus track. The Warehouse straight into the Raiders Theme. I think it's wonderful.


then you'll get it like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW5RL4vtggo


as long as we get a film mix and the 2 cues separated than I'm perfectly fine

cross-mixes are a thing of the past (unless appearing like this in the film)

THE LOST WORLD did it very good and some other newer releases also did it nicely - ALIEN 3 - with a perfect little space between merged cues

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2023 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Disney DOES NOT OWN THE RIGHTS to the first four Indiana Jones movies. ViacomCBS does.

Except ViacomCBS is now Paramount Global.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2023 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Replicant006   (Member)

I'm curious how something like that happens - with the wrong pitch. I can't think of another release where this happened. Maybe it's more common than we know.

If tapes are transferred "wild" without using the sync pilot tone, it can happen. I've rejected transfers that weren't resolved and had them re-done because the speed was off. If it's something like a 1/4" tape, which doesn't have sync, it's possible the unit it was played on was mis-calibrated.

For an upcoming project I had to have tapes moved from one facility to another to accommodate my need for the tapes to be played back properly. Maybe they thought I was being a pain, but if you start with a bad foundation (a poor transfer) nothing after it will get it right.

Neil


Thanks for the information, Neil. It sounds like there could be multiple reasons for the pitch problem. Ultimately, it needed someone a little more knowledgeable about the transfer, or at least that quality control oversight similar to what you mention. All that cleanup and remastering of the sound and they were working with a foundational problem.

Couple that with the fact that the total runtime of Concord's Raiders soundtrack is 74 minutes, than I think the real issue is more practical. Isn't that around the limit that a CD can hold music before things get wacky?

I believe there have been quite a few releases from our labels where they hit the 78 minute mark on a disc and there have been no issues.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2023 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)


Except ViacomCBS is now Paramount Global.


Same company. Point stands.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2023 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)


Except ViacomCBS is now Paramount Global.


Same company. Point stands.


I wasn't disagreeing with you. Just pointing out that the company has changed its name. Again. If you're looking for dependable work, might I suggest getting in the business of making letterhead for them for the next time they change their name?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 12:54 AM   
 By:   Mark malmstrom   (Member)

So, I was wondering

Why did Neal look into this thread?

Is it becaurse he is actually working on it but cannot tell? wink - or was he just random looking

anyway I hope for no cross-mixing of short cues - give us the option to choose how we want to hear the score presentation

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 1:26 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

So, I was wondering

Why did Neal look into this thread?

Is it becaurse he is actually working on it but cannot tell? wink - or was he just random looking

anyway I hope for no cross-mixing of short cues - give us the option to choose how we want to hear the score presentation


The only person who would be first authorized would have to be Mike Matessino. Not to say that Neil S Bulk' work is in anyway inferior- its just that JW management has now given primary exclusive rights to Matessino to tackle new restorations. Of course Likes of Neil and Chris [Malone] can always support and contribute to the projects that Mike does. Its just a teamwork. So, the above comment by Neil is in the total sense of his craft and as a professional - once should not assume anything otherwise.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 4:58 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

I hope they do separate the THE WAREHOUSE and END CREDITS

or give us both options since the film did not have the intro for the end credits but rather started with the trumpet theme


Didn’t the DCC version do that?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   Indy1981   (Member)

Hi, longtime lurker but first-time poster to FSM.

Is it true that the previous Indy CD set was in the incorrect pitch? I hope any future editions would correct this oversight.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 6:05 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I hope they do separate the THE WAREHOUSE and END CREDITS

or give us both options since the film did not have the intro for the end credits but rather started with the trumpet theme


Didn’t the DCC version do that?


Yes. the DCC version is the one with the full cue and the the entire album features the film mix by Eric Tomlinson whereas the Concorde edition with its various speed errors contain the album mixes as well as remixing by Shawn Murphy.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

It's frustrating isn't it...

How such important scores as the Indiana Jones scores, and the Star Wars scores, and most of the James Bond scores, for that matter, remain immune from the kind of treatment they deserve.

How all we can have is editions with issues.

Just imagine what someone like La-La Land records could do with those if they got the ability to.

I pray, probably in vain, to the soundtrack Gods it may happen one day.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   Indy1981   (Member)

It came as quite a surprise that in 2021, in time for the first film's 40th anniversary, that no label released a proper-sounding and complete Indiana Jones soundtrack.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

I'm certain scores will receive the proper treatment at some point, but, in the mean time I'm enjoying the Indy music we have right now, despite the grievances.

Does Concord still hold the rights to produce new versions?

With the release of Indy 5 this summer, maybe we might get new versions later in the year to coincide with the new film.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

You guys have some "Fantasy Football" type bullshit going on here.

Let me know when you wake from your crack induced comas.

All this is wild wishful thinking. No way is Disney letting an independent label do these scores. Not even Intrada.

James



Indiana Jones and Star Wars Films …
Well whomever owns what…it would be a great deal and massive undertaking …I am Voting for Mike Matessino for this Massive Haul.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   Indy1981   (Member)

You guys have some "Fantasy Football" type bullshit going on here.

Let me know when you wake from your crack induced comas.

All this is wild wishful thinking. No way is Disney letting an independent label do these scores. Not even Intrada.

James


There is a recent precedent in an independent company securing the rights to Disney/Marvel Lucasfilm-related properties, as IDW's Star Wars comic strips reprints have proved.

https://geekdad.com/2017/05/idw-classic-star-wars/

"IDW (which recently managed a coup and secured a Star Wars license from Disney/Marvel) is giving the strip the comprehensive treatment it deserves. If you don’t already know, IDW is doing the nerdy lord’s work with their Library of American Comics. They’ve been quietly creating gold standard editions of classic comic strips that every fan of the genre should have in their library."

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Is RAIDERS Disney?..I thought it's PARAMOUNT...
Anyways..I don't need any expansions of those scores..they are fine ( for me)smile
Give us stuff we don´t have at all...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Hi, longtime lurker but first-time poster to FSM. Is it true that the previous Indy CD set was in the incorrect pitch? I hope any future editions would correct this oversight.

From what I understand Raiders is the only one at the wrong pitch. The other two scores are correct.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 7:04 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Is RAIDERS Disney?..I thought it's PARAMOUNT...


It is Paramount. The only Indy that Disney owns is the upcoming one.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2023 - 7:14 PM   
 By:   Manakin Skywalker   (Member)

Paramout still owns the right to the original films, but Walt Disney Records currently has the rights to the scores, and have since reissued the Concord set digitally.

 
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