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 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)



Why does everything have to be about saving „family“ these days? It‘s a desperately overused motivation[...]

I actually blame Vin Diesel. He‘s uttering that motivation in the last few Fast Whatever flicks.Mark Kermode really does a good impression of him saying this.


This is a great perspective. Those movies are insanely popular and influential whether we realize it or not.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Yet you still felt the urge to actually watch the trailer...
Just wondering why... It's not like it would include anything from Wallfisch's score...


It was actually on tele and I wasn't able to escape or mute it, visiting friends. Damn, thought I was hard on the current rotten state of things. Respect, Petr, you are an extreme hater, bravo!

If an unsolicited view of a shitty film trailer is support, you must REALLY have a black heart!

God forbid Marco ever does one of these things, you'll be sunk.

I wonder, will you see Renfield, since that supports the current bad filmmaking trend as well?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Too late, Sean, My Friend...

(God forbid Marco ever does one of these things, you'll be sunk)



big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Too late, Sean, My Friend...

(God forbid Marco ever does one of these things, you'll be sunk)



big grin


Y'know I thought to check before posting, but was distracted. I wonder how our friend feels about this, SURELY a unique work of art, the Venom 2 score! Certain it's full of aleatoric madness that would make Goldenthal blush, massed brass and percussion that set Herrmann's grave a-roll, and thematic brilliance that got the thumbs up from William's himself.

Or it sounds like every other shite thing in big budget America....

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"SURELY a unique work of art, the Venom 2 score! Certain it's full of aleatoric madness that would make Goldenthal blush, massed brass and percussion that set Herrmann's grave a-roll, and thematic brilliance that got the thumbs up from William's himself"
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smile smile smile smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Venom 2. A bad movie and a bad score. I'm really thankful that Beltrami (and his collaborators) are going back and re-releasing better editions of older scores (hoping for Blade 2 soon!) because his music for much of the past decade (if not more) has been unbelievably underwhelming as a musical voice for film.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Venom 2. A bad movie and a bad score. I'm really thankful that Beltrami (and his collaborators) are going back and re-releasing better editions of older scores (hoping for Blade 2 soon!) because his music for much of the past decade (if not more) has been unbelievably underwhelming as a musical voice for film.

Dull surprise. Again.

I do like and own a ton of Beltrami's work, but chalk up any composer's decline to: the times, studio/director choices & insecurities, woldly reduced window from spotting to final mixing, requiring many hands to just get 'er dun. Blah blah.

Would be nice if MB would do at least one concert work (larger forces, since I think there is some chamber piece out there?), before hanging it up.

Back to Flash, not holding my breath Wallfisch will do anything special. These $800 million superhero things, once a real operatic canvas, are just dumping grounds for background noise now.

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

Hey now.

Like Goldsmith before him, and unlike numerous working composers today, Beltrami possesses the acumen and skill to develop an action track by juggling a theme, bouncing between time signatures, and then orchestrating the shit out of it to arrive at a satisfying conclusion.

The Great Escape, for example:



Smashing piece. If you dig Total Recall this isn't so far removed.

And what the devil is amiss with St. Estes Reform School (Extended) (linked above)? Because all Beltrami does is announce a theme and put it through its development paces until he reaches a fulfilling close like any good composer might.

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Huh, I thought the Fear Street scores had some really strong highlights, and since 2013 have also really liked Beltrami's work on A Good Day to Die Hard, The Homesman, Seventh Son, Gods of Egypt, and Fantastic Four (with Philip Glass).

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Fear Street was a nice return to form for him, I must admit (or maybe for the other credited composers who also scored those??) and he is always aiming high when working with Tommy Lee Jones. But like most of the other films you mentioned, Yvar, The Homeman is almost 10 years old and seemingly from even a different time in Hollywood history.

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well I only went back 10 years because you said "for the past decade". The Homesman was 9 years ago.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

And I still stand by my thoughts. Love that Homesman score though! I would happily take another one like that from him (and Sanders/Trumpp/etc.)!

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Not a fan of the more recent Seventh Son or Gods of Egypt?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

A Good Day to Die Hard, The Homesman, Seventh Son, Gods of Egypt, and Fantastic Four (with Philip Glass).

Not that anyone cares, I own everyone of these, enjoy each, often drop one into a 5cd carousel mix...but remember not a note, except the unique timbres & colours of The Homesman.

Doesn't make them bad, just Film Score Fast Food.

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

To be frank, I had to Google both movies to remember the difference between both movies. I can't say I've listened to the scores since they released. But on your recommendation I will give them a shot in 2023.

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Most composers seem to be working in the "Fast Food Film Scores" ethic these days. And I don't blame them. Tone deaf producers and directors are begging them for this kind of work and it used to be that Beltrami could overcome these "bad movies" with a great score but with the state of the industry is that even possible for a composer who seems to be as disinterested in this work as someone could be in listening to it?

Addendum in applying this standard to Wallfisch, to bring it back to topic. Is Andy Muschietti a tone deaf director? I got nothing out of the Velázquez score for Mama, and even more nothing out of the IT scores (leaving aside my thoughts on the movies themselves). The CEO of Warner Bros Discovery Media Conglomerate Hellhole says that The Flash is among the greatest movies he's ever seen, in a desperate bid to get people interested in seeing a movie in a dead franchise. I saw a trailer for a superhero movie I've already seen a couple times over starring a dude I was told was an abuser, wannabe cult leader, and a liability and one of my favorite actors as a CGI acrobat in a rubber suit. Can Wallfisch overcome remarkably low standards and deliver a decent score that we enjoy listening to? News at 11!

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2023 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)



1 Worlds Collide (2:29)
2 Run (1:44)

https://music.apple.com/nz/album/worlds-collide-run-from-the-flash-single/1686061608

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2023 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Why is WB's key art for DC's flagship character, Batman, always insistent on this "bowing the head, glowering" pose? It is always inevitable.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2023 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   rdj252   (Member)

The samples are ok, just cut off before you can get a good feel for things. I can't figure out if I like the prominent piano over the "running" music in the background during the second cue. Sounds like running music (is that a thing?) and it's interesting, but I need to hear more. I loved his Shazam theme and the music for that first film so I'm interested in what he does here. Hard to beat Elfman's 1990 TV theme, however. He nailed the theme and Shirley Walker did a great job on that underrated series.


 
 Posted:   May 11, 2023 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Fantastic Four (with Philip Glass).
Yavar



Yet pretty much all that Glass did was took the credit.

You should also check WAITING FOR BARBARIANS - great movie and highly inventive and original score. and speaking of the last decade there is also L'EMPEREUR DE PARIS, LOVE AND MONSTERS, THE WAY I SEE IT, FORD V FERRARI, LONG SHOT, MATHILDE, GODS OF EGYPT, BEN HUR, THE NIGHT BEFORE, FANTASTIC FOUR, SEVENTH SON, 1864 and THE GIVER among those also mentioned before (The Homesman and Fear Street especially but FS occasionally suffer from a bit of temp-love). So plenty of great and HIGHLY variable scores across many genres. And even more so if we include 2013, which was particularly strong year.

 
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