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When searching for this movie on IMDb, I noticed they're also filming an Alien TV series? Didn't even know about that. I must be out of the loop on Alien stuff lately lol
Yes, by Noah Hawley. Kev (or the Member Formerly Known as Kev aka Hurdy McGurdy.....why the name change?) mentioned it earlier in the thread. I'm really looking forward to that too. Hope it has some of the same visionary qualities as his LEGION series.
Really looking forward to this series, hope I’m not disappointed. The Aliens franchise minus the Predator stuff is some of the best Sci-fi filmmaking ever.
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Kev (or the Member Formerly Known as Kev aka Hurdy McGurdy.....why the name change?) .
He was on the he lamb but you've blew it. 
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ALIEN is a bad movie - like really Bad - it only holds up becaurse of editing
i saw a version where all deleted scenes and outtakes and unfinished scenes where put back into the movie
Your argument has a fatal flaw: you base it on a version which is not the actual film.
That way, you would have to criticize every movie based on their first assembly or a rough cut, or a score based on a first run-through with the orchestra.
The finished film which took the world by storm in 1979 cannot be called "like really bad" at all.
You can not like it, sure, but if you don't see the quality of the filmmaking and the imagination behind the story and its visualization your opinion cannot be taken seriously.
I will say this: if you don't consider the Xenomorph of ALIEN scary it might only be due to not having seen the film in 1979 when it was completely new and profoundly disturbing. If you grew up later, with the onslaught of other monster movies and CGI creations, your expectations are completely different and therefore influence your opinion on the original.
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Love the ALIEN franchise even when it's not great (Alien 4, AVP, Prometheus)
I was 11 when ALIEN came out in 1979 and wasn't able to see it in theatres. I finally was able to catch it on the big screen in the 90s and let me tell you, it's very different watching it in the theatre vs home theatre. Scott's vision is so much more layered and sprawling even though it's quite the insulated story when you get right down to it.
Looking forward to the film and the series. I think Banos will deliver a great score if he's drawing from the same well as Evil Dead.
Same goes for the tv series.
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Mar 4, 2023 - 9:18 AM
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Thor
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I can't speak for Mark, but there are obviously a couple of versions of the film, in case that wasn't clear to non-ALIEN fans reading the thread. The extended cut, which -- among other things -- feature Ripley discovering a cocooned Dallas, is nice and my go-to version these days, but only because I've seen the movie a gazillion times and like to have the slightly extended running time. The original cut is better and more concise. As opposed to ALIENS, where -- for the last two decades or so -- I've ONLY watched the extended cut, a far superior one to the original theatrical version (which is also good, but doesn't have the "seven miles of bad road" aspect to it that James Cameron points out about the extended cut).
Be that as it may, I think one of the greatest mistakes one can do in evaluating ALIEN is to reduce it to its basic premise ("people fleeing from monster in dark corridors"). If that was all there was to it, it wouldn't have had the status it has. The reason it's such a classic, and that it has the effect it has, is that a lot of different visual and aural traits combine to create this deep, dark, almost Freudian excursion into the subconscious. I wrote about these aspects in an article a few years ago, and if you have 5 extra minutes and can tolerate a slightly wonky Google Translate, you can read it here:
https://montages-no.translate.goog/2009/10/alien-1979/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=no&_x_tr_pto=wapp
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Mar 4, 2023 - 9:24 AM
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Saying a film only works because of the editing is like saying a meal only works because of the cooking. Yup, that's an essential part of the process.
The original Goldsmith score is easily my favorite (leaving the debate over which permutation of it for some other time). What a wonderfully scary but awe-inspiring score!
For whatever reason, my love for Goldenthal's has faded on recent listenings, though for years I was a huge admirer of that one.
As for the films, to me it's been extended (like so many franchises) well beyond what interest it had. There's no shame in a premise being insufficient past a movie or two, and this one (like the Terminator and Jurassic Park franchises, to me) is great partly because it's so visceral and doesn't really lend itself to deepening. I guess in all of these, the threat is enemies built for killing. I enjoyed it with a single alien, I enjoyed it with armies of aliens, but now I feel I'm just watching the same beats over and over, just with more sophisticated effects.
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Mar 4, 2023 - 10:25 AM
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joan hue
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I will say this: if you don't consider the Xenomorph of ALIEN scary it might only be due to not having seen the film in 1979 when it was completely new and profoundly disturbing
I so agree with this statement. I dragged my husband to see this film in 1979, and I spent a lot of time covering my face and plugging my ears. It was terrifying for me, and at the same time, wonderful. Follow up movies have probably over-saturated the visions of Xenomorphs so they don't seem as scary now.
I find this original movie perfect. Acting, sound, cinematography, music, and set designs were amazing. I'll never forget how stunned I was when Dallas died. I thought he, like previous movies, would be the hero and the last person standing. How amazing it was to see a female (Ripley) outwit the monster. Editing was fine, but so much more made this movie iconic and perfect for me.
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