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 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 4:06 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Moana is an excellent film, and by the way, it is CGI, but mixed with hand drawn elements.
https://disneyanimation.com/publications/the-role-of-hand-drawn-animation-in-disneys-moana/

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Moana is an excellent film, and by the way, it is CGI, but mixed with hand drawn elements.
https://disneyanimation.com/publications/the-role-of-hand-drawn-animation-in-disneys-moana/


It was made by Ron Clements and John Musker, "the old guard" if we can call them that and it shows. They allow the film to breath on numerous occasions. The sequence where Moana was discovering the cave comes to mind also a long sequence of silence because Moana has reached such despair. Those scenes really built atmosphere and emotion. Such long pauses without noise and action are unheard of nowadays in animated films. Shocked Disney allowed those scenes. In many ways the script was a mish-mash of previous Disney films like The Little Mermaid and Pocahontas but its done well. And yes finding a clever way to incorporate hand drawn animation smoothly into the production was a stroke of genius. Pretty sure they had to pull some 2D animators out of retirement for that. How sad is that?

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Ironic that this will be called a "live action" remake when undoubtedly 80% of it will be CGI.

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

Disney has really gone too far with the live action remakes, hopefully some of these bomb

It’s easy to paint Disney as a bogeyman about this, by this point, but I get the feeling that if they were so gaspingly desperate to pick the bones of one of their more recent animated movies, they 100,000% would’ve jumped on Frozen first. I get the feeling (and if you’re on Twitter, you’ll know I’m not alone) that someone in the voice cast desperate for a hit after their big passion project crashed and burned last fall is willing this into being.

But, to quote a character from In Living Color, “I ain’t one to gossip, so you didn’t hear it from me.”

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

But Frozen doesn't fit their "diversity" mandate. Or maybe they want to wait and see how well The Little Mermaid does before turning Elsa and Anna Asian and Middle Eastern or something.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Disney has really gone too far with the live action remakes, hopefully some of these bomb

It’s easy to paint Disney as a bogeyman about this, by this point, but I get the feeling that if they were so gaspingly desperate to pick the bones of one of their more recent animated movies, they 100,000% would’ve jumped on Frozen first. I get the feeling (and if you’re on Twitter, you’ll know I’m not alone) that someone in the voice cast desperate for a hit after their big passion project crashed and burned last fall is willing this into being.

But, to quote a character from In Living Color, “I ain’t one to gossip, so you didn’t hear it from me.”


Yes, the Rock had a bomb with his Black Adam project, and he was so embarrassed about it he even got a shill at Deadline to write the most absurd piece of mystical math about it, despite everything showing it was a loser, it actually was a commercial 'hit', and then he was embarrassed, again, when the new DC management has quietly, and smartly, shelved plans for any sequel.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I often rib you two, Solium and Ado, for being the board's resident 'cynical grouches', but so good to see you come together in admiration of this film, which I also share with you. smile

I totally agree about the 'old-fashioned' storytelling styles being applied to it, only with contemporary technology. For me, it's one of the very best Disney films since their last heyday in the 90s. I was also fortunate to interview Musker and Clements around the time of the premiere, where we talked about this and their previous work. Can be read here (Google Translated), if interested:

https://montages-no.translate.goog/2017/02/en-helt-ny-jord-en-samtale-med-de-legendariske-disney-regissorene-john-musker-og-ron-clements/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=no&_x_tr_pto=wapp

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

But Frozen doesn't fit their "diversity" mandate. Or maybe they want to wait and see how well The Little Mermaid does before turning Elsa and Anna Asian and Middle Eastern or something.

Gee, one wonders why they even bothered to make Pinocchio, Beauty and the Beast, or Cinderella, when the protagonists of those stayed white.

Has there been an epidemic of Disney race-swapping that I've missed? (Do you count Aladdin, lol?)

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I often rib you two, Solium and Ado, for being the board's resident 'cynical grouches', but so good to see you come together in admiration of this film, which I also share with you. smile

I totally agree about the 'old-fashioned' storytelling styles being applied to it, only with contemporary technology. For me, it's one of the very best Disney films since their last heyday in the 90s. I was also fortunate to interview Musker and Clements around the time of the premiere, where we talked about this and their previous work. Can be read here (Google Translated), if interested:

https://montages-no.translate.goog/2017/02/en-helt-ny-jord-en-samtale-med-de-legendariske-disney-regissorene-john-musker-og-ron-clements/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=no&_x_tr_pto=wapp


Hah, funny Thor.
It is really quite a gorgeous film, and Musker and Clements are real Disney pro's.
They have made so many good films. Princess and the Frog is greatly underappreciated, hand drawn work from those guys.

I think this film has a lot right about it, dramatically, visually, the design of the whole environment, the interesting mythology. And the go for broke under water giant crab world stuff, just stunning over the top stuff, and the music on top. Incredible.

I will absolutely read that. Those guys are great.

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

But Frozen doesn't fit their "diversity" mandate. Or maybe they want to wait and see how well The Little Mermaid does before turning Elsa and Anna Asian and Middle Eastern or something.

Gee, one wonders why they even bothered to make Pinocchio, Beauty and the Beast, or Cinderella, when the protagonists of those stayed white.

Has there been an epidemic of Disney race-swapping that I've missed? (Do you count Aladdin, lol?)

Yavar


B&TB and Cinderella were before the diversity mandate and well Pinocchio, they shoe-horned in and swapped where they could.

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Disney has really gone too far with the live action remakes, hopefully some of these bomb

It’s easy to paint Disney as a bogeyman about this, by this point, but I get the feeling that if they were so gaspingly desperate to pick the bones of one of their more recent animated movies, they 100,000% would’ve jumped on Frozen first. I get the feeling (and if you’re on Twitter, you’ll know I’m not alone) that someone in the voice cast desperate for a hit after their big passion project crashed and burned last fall is willing this into being.

But, to quote a character from In Living Color, “I ain’t one to gossip, so you didn’t hear it from me.”


Yes, the Rock had a bomb with his Black Adam project, and he was so embarrassed about it he even got a shill at Deadline to write the most absurd piece of mystical math about it, despite everything showing it was a loser, it actually was a commercial 'hit', and then he was embarrassed, again, when the new DC management has quietly, and smartly, shelved plans for any sequel.


I don't think The Jungle Cruise did all that well either. I kinda enjoyed it, despite its flaws.

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I often rib you two, Solium and Ado, for being the board's resident 'cynical grouches', but so good to see you come together in admiration of this film, which I also share with you. smile

I totally agree about the 'old-fashioned' storytelling styles being applied to it, only with contemporary technology. For me, it's one of the very best Disney films since their last heyday in the 90s. I was also fortunate to interview Musker and Clements around the time of the premiere, where we talked about this and their previous work. Can be read here (Google Translated), if interested:

https://montages-no.translate.goog/2017/02/en-helt-ny-jord-en-samtale-med-de-legendariske-disney-regissorene-john-musker-og-ron-clements/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=no&_x_tr_pto=wapp


Cheers Thor! Here we agree a 100%!

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

No wonder Solium hates movies made in the modern era, he only watches Disney dreck!

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   ibelin   (Member)

Ironic that this will be called a "live action" remake when undoubtedly 80% of it will be CGI.

Wait until 2030 when all the 'live-action remakes' will be artifically generated by a computer algorithm.

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

No wonder Solium hates movies made in the modern era, he only watches Disney dreck!

Pick your poison, Disney, LucasFilm, Paramount, Amazon, BBC... It's all dreck bro!

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)


Wait until 2030 when all the 'live-action remakes' will be artifically generated by a computer algorithm.


There may be a lot of dark truth in this!

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

B&TB and Cinderella were before the diversity mandate and well Pinocchio, they shoe-horned in and swapped where they could.

B&TB was not that long ago; only 2017. When was this "diversity mandate" (can I get a copy?) instituted? How many films has it afflicted thusfar?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

B&TB and Cinderella were before the diversity mandate and well Pinocchio, they shoe-horned in and swapped where they could.

B&TB was not that long ago; only 2017. When was this "diversity mandate" (can I get a copy?) instituted? How many films has it afflicted thusfar?

Yavar


Like I'm gonna bother to find you "evidence" for something that's been evident and out in the open for the last five years. Not wasting my time. Besides you seem to think I'm taking a side when I'm just commenting on the obvious. Do with it as you wish.

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Like I'm gonna bother to find you "evidence" for something that's been evident and out in the open for the last five years. Not wasting my time. Besides you seem to think I'm taking a side when I'm just commenting on the obvious. Do with it as you wish.

Ah, ok, so you contend that this mandate began five years ago, less than a year after Beauty and the Beast came out with white leads. No need for you to find "evidence" now that I know your timeframe; I can waste the time, bother to do the work, and look chronologically at the Disney movies that have come out in the past 5 years (so starting with April 2018), when you say this terrible diversity "mandate" has been in place:

Incredibles 2 (if you count Pixar) - sequel centering on the same white (animated) family
Christopher Robin - white male lead
The Nutcracker and the Four Realms - white female lead (though they did cast Morgan Freeman as Clara's godfather Drosselmeyer... I guess that bothers you?)
Ralph Breaks the Internet - white lead(s)
Mary Poppins Returns - white leads
Dumbo - suuuuuper white; look at the damn poster! And it totally would have made sense to cast more people of color for this, too.
Penguins - they're penguins
Aladdin - you're going to complain that they (finally) cast (some) Middle Eastern actors to play Middle Eastern characters?
Toy Story 4 (if you count Pixar) - they're toys, but pretty sure it's the same mostly white cast
The Lion King - they're CGI animals, and the hand-drawn 90s version already had a mixed cast
Maleficent: Mistress of Evil - I think there's like, one black supporting character? But the main characters are all white.
Lady and the Tramp - they're dogs; nobody cares (not even you) about the skin color of those voicing them
Noelle - white as hell
Frozen II - white main characters, of course
Togo - last I checked, Willem Defoe is white

Timmy Failure: Mistakes Were Made (Wikipedia lists it as a Disney co-production) - looks white as hell
Onward (if Pixar counts) - main characters are... blue? But their brothers played by Tom Holland and Chris Pratt. And their widowed mother is voiced by Julia Louis-Dreyfus. All I can say about this voice casting is: WOKE HOLLYWOOD STRIKES AGAIN!
Stargirl - white female lead
Dolphin Reef - should I just skip listing the DisneyNature things?
Elephant - DisneyNature again
Artemis Fowl - white male lead
Mulan - you're going to complain that Mulan is Asian because of some Diversity Mandate? (That said, I think this remake is hella cringe and most Asian people I know agree.)
Godmothered - white female leads
Soul (if Pixar counts) - (animated) BLACK MALE LEAD! OMIGOSH! The dreaded MANDATED DIVERSITY finally rears its ugly head to celebrate Christmas 2020!

The Last Warrior: Root of Evil - since it was a Russian co-production, I'm guessing it's white as hell
Flora & Ulysses - white female lead
Raya and the Last Dragon - Asian (animated) characters -- MANDATED DIVERSITY ALERT!
Cruella - white female lead
Luca - (animated) white male lead
Jungle Cruise - white female lead + THE ROCK - DIVERSITY STUNT CASTING!
Encanto - Hispanic (animated) characters -- MANDATED DIVERSITY ALERT!
Diary of a Wimpy Kid - (animated) white male lead
The Last Warrior: A Messenger of Darkness - since it was a Russian co-production, I'm guessing white again
Turning Red - (animated) Asian female lead -- MANDATED DIVERSITY ALERT!
Cheaper by the Dozen - MIXED RACE FAMILY! MANDATED DIVERSITY ALERT!
Better Nate than Ever - white lead
Polar Bear - N/A; DisneyNature
Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers - they're animated chipmunks... voiced by two white guys
Hollywood Stargirl - white female lead
Lightyear (if Pixar counts) - (animated) white male lead
Rise - about black basketball players... mandated diversity alert?
Pinocchio - last I checked Tom Hanks is white
Hocus Pocus 2 - the witches are still white; some of the new younger characters aren't... MANDATED DIVERSITY ALERT!
Disenchanted - white female lead and mostly white cast in general
Strange World - looks pretty white to me, though animated
Diary of a Wimpy Kid: Rodrick Rules - white (animated)

^^^^This is what you're complaining about, the past five years of Disney films.

Looking a little ahead, Peter Pan & Wendy...still look pretty white to me (and so does Captain Hook). And then there's the dreaded LITTLE MERMAID of course... the MANDATED DIVERSITY that set off all the recent wave of pearl clutching from a certain segment of the population. Gosh, when will Disney STOP PANDERING TO MINORITIES?!

So yeah, if you count Pixar as Disney, I guess your "mandated diversity" began with Soul in Christmas 2020, just a little over TWO years ago, not five. (And if Pixar doesn't count, Raya and the Last Dragon was two years ago.) But all through this, white leads have still dominated. You want to do the MCU next, which has finally began adding a BIT of diversity after starting with a DECADE of pretty much nothing but white male leads?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2023 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

You're a hoot Yavar. You keep saying I'm complaining. I'm just stating a fact. Disney and the other studios have a mandate towards featuring minorities in their films. Go back a couple of years, notes from the studio leaked out and that was one of its main priorities. Watch ANY press release from virtually ANY studio and the topic up front is "diversity". The producers talk about it, the actors talk about it, the writers talk about it. Its the reason we're getting a Moana live action BEFORE a Frozen live action movie. None of your in-dept research contradicts that. BTW Dumbo was not "super white", Nico Parker is half black. wink Godmothered, I think the daughter in that film is half black too. Are you really adding nature films in your list on non-diversity? Pretty sure the Elephants are African.

 
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