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 Posted:   May 11, 2023 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Haha, yup that's the name. Now I remember, thanks Schiffy!

I actually went to college with his son, Cary. Interviewed him about Herrmann for a college radio show I did. So I can't be too pompous about remembering that particular name. (Especially when I can't remember the names of half the people I work with.)

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2023 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   LRobHubbard   (Member)

Enjoying this podcast (halfway through right now). What does it say about me that I started shouting "Royal S. Brown!" when you guys couldn't come up with the name of the Fanfare film music critic? And then felt very ignored. Because I was alone in my car.

Not in my car, but did the same thing when I got to that section of the podcast.
I got to meet him at the 1994 SPFM conference and a few months later got to interview him shortly after his book, OVERTONES AND UNDERTONES was released, which ended up in the June '95 issue of FSM.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2023 - 11:29 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

LOL- When Jeff Bond is discussing BASIC INSTINCT and then he began to refer to another related film title I downright exclaimed " Its ...MALICE !!!" Now that's a title Id love to see from Varese if its in their target for expansion.

Anyways, Iam drooling over the discussion and looking forward to seeing these books to happen soon.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2023 - 4:43 AM   
 By:   steffromuk   (Member)

Wonderful episode!
I can't wait to get my hands on these two books.

Also the end made me wonder if we'll ever get a The Omen anthology restored and expanded box set from Lalaland Records (or other labels but LLL seems to be the one making these sets happen).

I only have the deluxe edition of the first one from Varese and the other albums are hard to find at a reasonable price.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2023 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   jkruppa   (Member)

Fascinating conversation on the podcast, and it has me itching even more to read these books. I share Jeff's desire to get some of Goldsmith's stranger scores in manuscript, and a more complete Mephisto Waltz recording, too.

Side note: did anyone knowledgeable ever do an interview with Emil Richards? His autobiography wasn't very insightful about specific films, and it would have been great to get his perspective on working on Planet of the Apes or Mephisto or Chinatown.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2023 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Richards was interviewed years ago not by the podcast, but I think member The Cat (rejected scores Torn Music book author Hubai). I recall transcribing the interview myself.

If he'll give permission to post it, I probably have it in a Sent folder sent e-mail.

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2023 - 9:49 PM   
 By:   jkruppa   (Member)

Richards was interviewed years ago not by the podcast, but I think member The Cat (rejected scores Torn Music book author Hubai). I recall transcribing the interview myself.

If he'll give permission to post it, I probably have it in a Sent folder sent e-mail.


Thanks, would love to see that!

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2023 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   George Flaxman   (Member)

Sorry to be a bit thick. I'm trying to pledge to the Hardback version, but what are the "numbered & signed Bookplates" ??. as opposed to just being a Hardback copy ??.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2023 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Update on the Children's record search - Peter checked his database - nothing for Goldsmith listed - but if it's something that was made in 1948-1950 he probably does own it in his collection.

He knows another collector who knows more about the finer details of these knowing more about studio talent, recording sessions, ephemera etc. So if he hears anything back from them he'll let me know, and I'll let folks know here too.

If it was something that was produced for a private recording then it will be much more difficult to find/pin down.



Completely unrelated I just read the first book in the VINYL DETECTIVE series by Andrew Cartmel - searching for this record could easily be the source of a plot point for a future novel. I am waiting for the next couple of books in that series to come in from my library.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2023 - 6:12 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Sorry to be a bit thick. I'm trying to pledge to the Hardback version, but what are the "numbered & signed Bookplates" ??. as opposed to just being a Hardback copy ??.

More than you need to know! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_Libris_(bookplate)

Interesting how the emphasis has shifted from the book owner's possession (when books were expensive rarities) to the author/publisher's "signature."

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2023 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Peter's already gotten back to me, their fellow collector did not have any additional insight.

He also said:

"The post-war period, up to about 1955, was the Golden Age of Kiddie 78s. Dozens of small companies produced limited runs, and all but two or three didn't survive into the 60s, let alone to now. So, if Jerry's participation in a recording session from ca 1948 was with one of those countries, it makes it even more elusive, as we have seen."

I am still going to think about this some more to see if there's any other options to consider trying to figure this one out. I think it may elude us for some time to come.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2023 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Ok I went back and watched the clip again but at the 5 minute mark. Jerry mentions doing a radio workshop with a friend around that time, a Nicholas Rochet? Not 100% on the spelling, but if they were friends at the time, and he's still alive - maybe he might know? I am happy to reach out to them - just not sure if you guys know who that person is?

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2023 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

Ok I went back and watched the clip again but at the 5 minute mark. Jerry mentions doing a radio workshop with a friend around that time, a Nicholas Rochet? Not 100% on the spelling, but if they were friends at the time, and he's still alive - maybe he might know? I am happy to reach out to them - just not sure if you guys know who that person is?

Ryan, I think he's saying Miklós Rózsa. The "I had taken a course with Miklós Rózsa at USC" quote? It sounds just like it could be the words Nicholas Rochet, and since I was listening for it, I momentarily heard that myself when he said it.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2023 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)


Ryan, I think he's saying Miklós Rózsa. The "I had taken a course with Miklós Rózsa at USC" quote? It sounds just like it could be the words Nicholas Rochet, and since I was listening for it, I momentarily heard that myself when he said it.




Of course! Ugh, my bad.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2023 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

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 Posted:   May 24, 2023 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Thanks for continuing to dig into this, Ryan! I'm not exactly optimistic at this point, but I still have some hope. Fingers crossed for it to eventually be located.

Heck maybe someday we'll even find out the title/plot of the student film Goldsmith scored...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2023 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

All of the talk of Goldsmith's Children's Record reminds me of the Children's Record Alex North composed in 1947, LITTLE INDIAN DRUM.

I found a copy of the Original 1947 78 RPM release at a Goodwill Store for $1.00 years ago. I posted about this about 8 years ago and at that time there was an Audio Clip of it on youtube. Sadly it is no longer available there for a listen.

Click on the record artwork or "more images" when you get to this link:
http://www.discogs.com/master/832323-David-Brooks-Little-Indian-Drum/image/SW1hZ2U6NzY3MDg3MDg3MQ==

Be interesting if the Goldsmith Children's Record was on the same label, Young Peoples Records and if North had anything to do with Goldsmith getting the gig. But come to think of it, I don't think Goldsmith and North even knew each other until the 60's. Goldsmith would have been around 18 years of age in 1947.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2023 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

Of course! Ugh, my bad.

Pshhaww. Seriously, at your prompt, I heard it too.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2023 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Be interesting if the Goldsmith Children's Record was on the same label, Young Peoples Records and if North had anything to do with Goldsmith getting the gig. But come to think of it, I don't think Goldsmith and North even knew each other until the 60's. Goldsmith would have been around 18 years of age in 1947.

Well what Goldsmith relayed to Burlingame was that he was only a year older (19) when he did his own children’s album as his first paid gig writing music… doesn’t strike me as impossible!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 25, 2023 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Did some keyword searching in the LA Times Archives - looking for things like wanted ads to see if there was anyone looking for a composer/arranger for an album - nothing came up. I'm guessing it was a word of mouth thing.

I did reach out to LACC to see if they had any local newspaper archives for school newspapers as it might have been a campus paper ad. I opened a ticket with a person via their chat support - I am not that confident it will reach the LACC library - they seem to only offer research assistance to current students.

I also noticed that the LA Philharmonic had archives dated back to that time and sent them an email to see if by chance their orchestra was used for the recording (doubtful).

Also noticed this blog post by a librarian and the LA Public Library on Goldsmith. They retired in 2021 and I can only seem to find their library email address - I wonder if they might have some ideas on potential sources to check.
https://lapl.org/collections-resources/blogs/lapl/music-memories-jerry-goldsmith - I sent a query to the email address but it bounced back. Might just find another LAPL address to see if they can forward it to him, or see if the library in general has some insight.


Still thinking about this in creative ways to see if there's other options to try and pin this down. It's a good thinking exercise.

 
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