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Jul 28, 2024 - 12:37 PM
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Thor
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Well, I wasn't aware I had wandered into the Rick Beato Fan Club where every crazy claim is taken as the ultimate truth.
I (grudgingly) watched the friggin' video, and found it rather annoying, to be honest (maybe it's a culture thing). And certainly nothing there that warrants that kind of hyperbole. I suppose it's thrilling to have one's niche interest validated in some way, which is why so many of you are in 100% agreement with Mr. Beato's claim.
Nah. I would rather have loved to see a video or article called "The Influence of John Williams" or some such thing, that dispensed with the hyperbole and the tabloid language, and instead went deep into his (indisputable) influence and presence on various arenas all over the world, without necessarily pitting him against others. THAT, I'd stand behind, even if it would get, like, 3 views.
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Maybe watch some of his other content, where he digs *deep* into music theory and orchestration. There's an excellent video where he spends 12 minutes just dissecting the last few moments of the E.T. score, breaking down how Williams uses orchestration and harmony to create an incredible emotional effect on the audience. And it's all handled in an expert, "this guy knows what he's talking about" manner, because you know what? He *does* know what he's talking about.
Beato is followed by tons of musicians and educators, and his materials on music theory are taught in some music schools.
He's the real deal, Thor, so you might just dig a little before being so dismissive. Not only of Beato, but of those of us here who appreciate the legit musical knowledge he imparts to the world. It's NOT simply a matter of loving him because he "likes John Williams," so us poor Williams fans gets some validation. Some of us are composers and music theory majors ourselves, so can vouch for the man.
He does for music what Neil Degrasse Tyson does for science - makes advanced concepts more palatable and understandable for both an advanced and lay audience. It's not fanboyism by any stretch.
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Well, I wasn't aware I had wandered into the Rick Beato Fan Club where every crazy claim is taken as the ultimate truth...
I suppose it's thrilling to have one's niche interest validated in some way, which is why so many of you are in 100% agreement with Mr. Beato's claim.
This may be the most supercilious thing you've ever posted.
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I don’t really give a monkey’s toss about Rick Beato, John (although I’ve noticed his fan club is passionate). My sole issue is his angling in this. That kind of hyperbole is a pet peeve of mine.
Fine, but your characterization of those of us who like and defend him (the quotes above I called supercilious) are so dismissive and judgemental that I literally find them offensive.
And wow, does it take a lot to offend me.
You could probably *learn* something about the music you write and speak about it you just took some time to actually listen and watch. Obviously you'd rather than look down your nose at the rest of us, who in your view are just fanboys in need of being validated.
I notice that you didn't even address the points about the guy actually knowing his stuff and being admired by a huge number of musicians composers and producers. A quick perusal of the list of people who have been interviewed on his channel will reveal some of the best musicians composers and songwriters alive today.
For those of us who actually make music for a living - or even those of us who do it as a sideline - Beato is tremendous source of legit and valuable information. I've certainly learned a lot from him, as have others commenting in this thread.
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I don’t really give a monkey’s toss about Rick Beato, John (although I’ve noticed his fan club is passionate). My sole issue is his angling in this. That kind of hyperbole is a pet peeve of mine.
Fine, but your characterization of those of us who like and defend him (the quotes above I called supercilious) are so dismissive and judgemental that I literally find them offensive.
And wow, does it take a lot to offend me.
You could probably *learn* something about the music you write and speak about it you just took some time to actually listen and watch. Obviously you'd rather than look down your nose at the rest of us, who in your view are just fanboys in need of being validated.
I notice that you didn't even address the points about the guy actually knowing his stuff and being admired by a huge number of musicians composers and producers. A quick perusal of the list of people who have been interviewed on his channel will reveal some of the best musicians composers and songwriters alive today.
For those of us who actually make music for a living - or even those of us who do it as a sideline - Beato is tremendous source of legit and valuable information. I've certainly learned a lot from him, as have others commenting in this thread.
This ^
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Jul 28, 2024 - 3:54 PM
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Thor
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That's fine, John. I'm not dissing him. I don't have enough knowledge about him to do so, and I don't really care about him or his videos in the first place. You're using the 'appeal to authority' fallacy, which doesn't work on me (I've interviewed a great many top composers too, but that doesn't give my opinions any more validity). As I told you three times now, but which you seem to ignore, all I care about is his statements in THIS particular video. I find them absolutely ludicrous, and there's no profound insights or arguments there to back up the claim. It just comes off as a cheap click-bait thing.
I tell ya, I feel like I've walked into a f***ng episode of TWILIGHT ZONE in this thread. I'm the only one -- THE ONLY ONE -- to react to the statement that John Williams is the most well-known musician who ever lived. So bizarre. Gotta leave this thread soon to keep my sanity, I think.
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That's fine, John. I'm not dissing him. I don't have enough knowledge about him to do so, and I don't really care about him or his videos in the first place. You're using the 'appeal to authority' fallacy, which doesn't work on me (I've interviewed a great many top composers too, but that doesn't give my opinions any more validitiy). As I told you three times now, John, all I care about is his statements in THIS particular video. I find them absolutely ludicrous, and there's no profound insights or arguments there to back up the claim. It just comes off as a cheap click-bait thing.
I tell ya, I feel like I've walked into a f***ng episode of TWILIGHT ZONE in this thread. I'm the only one -- THE ONLY ONE -- to react to the statement that John Williams is the greatest musician who ever lived. So bizarre. Gotta leave this thread soon to keep my sanity, I think.
You might try reading what I wrote. The offensive part is your characterization of the rest of us. The dismissive "fan club" and "validation" comments. It would be entirely different if you just stated your own opinion without taking a sideswipe at the rest of us.
And you misunderstand the "appeal to authority" fallacy. It's not a fallacy to appeal to someone as an authority when there is *solid evidence* that the person is in fact an authority. Which is exactly what I tried to do - I fully embrace that challenge.
I agree, interviewing a composer does not make you an authority. But knowing about music theory and being a legit musician composer and producer that had the respect of his peers does. Just like appealing to Richard Feyman as an authority on physics meets those criteria. Agree with him or not, he is a legit authority.
Signed,
John Schuermann
Validation needing member of the Rick Beato / Twilight Zone Fan Club
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Anyone wondering why world peace has never been achieved need look no further than this thread about a seven-minute YouTube video about a composer.
Sorry, not sorry. I just had enough of the condescension.
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You might try reading what I wrote. The offensive part is your characterization of the rest of us. The dismissive "fan club" and "validation" comments. It would be entirely different if you just stated your own opinion without taking a sideswipe at the rest of us.
The reactions (or rather LACK of reactions) to the statement on display by Mr. Beato were so staggering and bizarre, that those characterizations of mine were as mild as I could possibly get them.
And you misunderstand the "appeal to authority" fallacy. It's not a fallacy to appeal to someone as an authority when there is *solid evidence* that the person is in fact an authority. Which is exactly what I tried to do - I fully embrace that challenge.
No, it is you who misunderstand. 'Appeals to authority' are very often appeals to actual authorities. It becomes a fallacy, because whatever Beato's accomplishments are, they have absolutely NO bearing on the statements made in this particular video. This is the FOURTH time I've tried to specify this for you; I don't care about Beato, I care about his statements in THIS video.
Trying to bring this around to a more civil tone:
If you had in fact been following Beato's videos and interviews over the years, you might understand why some of us feel like he's *earned* the right to make these kinds of statements. And I do find it quite defensible, as others have agreed in this thread. That's why I took the time to give some background and provide some links.
I could start doing a socialogical / statistical breakdown of why his claim has merit - would that be helpful?
Maybe you could toss out the name of another composer or musician would be a better candidate for what Beato is claiming.
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Jul 28, 2024 - 4:28 PM
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Maarten
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That's fine, John. I'm not dissing him. I don't have enough knowledge about him to do so, and I don't really care about him or his videos in the first place. You're using the 'appeal to authority' fallacy, which doesn't work on me (I've interviewed a great many top composers too, but that doesn't give my opinions any more validity). As I told you three times now, but which you seem to ignore, all I care about is his statements in THIS particular video. I find them absolutely ludicrous, and there's no profound insights or arguments there to back up the claim. It just comes off as a cheap click-bait thing.
I tell ya, I feel like I've walked into a f***ng episode of TWILIGHT ZONE in this thread. I'm the only one -- THE ONLY ONE -- to react to the statement that John Williams is the most well-known musician who ever lived. So bizarre. Gotta leave this thread soon to keep my sanity, I think.
Well, to support you a bit: this particular video IS a bit hyperbolic and superficial... but I forgive him, given the great videos he makes. BTW: who's scoring the twilight zone episode that you're in? ;-)
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