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I've always loved this score. Williams in heraldic civil-war mode (+ a delicate family/love theme)...what's not to love. I never had any problems with the sound of the OST either (and I play it often) and always thought it was a generous programme (even if the 7 min title theme is repeated, save for a slight extension, as per usual with Williams albums). But, if there's extra unreleased score (a given) and some cool alternate tracks (plus I imagine a fair bit of source music from the period), then bring it on. If D3 is the old album...so be it.
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Me neither. It's a somewhat big and lush sound, but it fits the music. Yeah; as I said, I haven't listened to the score in a long time, but I don't remember that recording having any issues in sound quality at all. That's why "awful" is really non-descript. What does it mean? "Awful" implies for me some more or less objective deterioration of sound, such as distortion, compression artefacts, wobbles, etc... "big wet sound" or "close dry sound" is just a matter of taste, or what a particular recording it is. "Remastering" nowadays unfortunately often means just "more compression" and "reducing dynamic range", so often a remaster sounds worse, because it's the "in sound" for streaming and plastic earbuds. There is a widespread "louder is better" philosophy in a lot of remasters, which is actually detrimental to good sound quality. (Not saying that this is the case with THE PATRIOT, obviously.)
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Yay, getting $10 tacked onto the price just so we can have another copy of an album we've all owned for the last 25 years...! Yeah but there are some that haven‘t, so okay.
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Yay, getting $10 tacked onto the price just so we can have another copy of an album we've all owned for the last 25 years...! Yeah but there are some that haven‘t, so okay.
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Sorry, double trouble…
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Jan 8, 2025 - 6:13 AM
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Thor
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I genuinely wonder how many people actually LIKE the redundant album programs being added. If I already have the OST, it's rather redundant, yes (except maybe improved sound quality). But if I don't own the OST, it's the ONLY draw to the album. Take away that, i.e. only have the complete score, and it's 100% worthless to me. It's one of the reasons why the Faltermeyer TOP GUN release isn't particularly attractive to me, despite the score itself being a holy grail for years. Same for Moroder's SCARFACE. There is no OST program there. True, the original soundtrack didn't have one either -- it was a songtrack, after all -- but if they had attempted a curated score program, or gotten Faltermeyer to create one (much like the bootleg score programme), and put that on a disc of its own, THEN we would be talking. THEN I'd probably be all over it. Of course, disregarding my monetary problems for the moment. Plus, many times the OSTs may be hard to find on the secondary market. I hope to God they keep on including the OST programme on these expansions for years to come.
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Yay, getting $10 tacked onto the price just so we can have another copy of an album we've all owned for the last 25 years...! I genuinely wonder how many people actually LIKE the redundant album programs being added. It's so weird.....why do people want 50 minutes of the same exact music on the previous two discs? Yeah quite often there's a few edits here and there but it's still usually the same music (and this isn't always the case, see for instance *batteries not included). Especially in this case where it means another CD and taking up twice the space. Because the OST could have improved sound. Because the OST often has takes that I like better than the film version. Because it makes for a "complete" presentation/collection of the score. We're supposed to be music fans, no? Finally, though I'm excited to hear the expanded score sometimes I prefer the OST so its nice to have both options. In my opinion this is Williams last "great" score and was on my wish list. BIG NEWS! Intrada starting off the new year with a bang! Yeah, I fully agree with this. In case of SPIDERMAN, SPIDERMAN 2, and SLEEPY HOLLOW, I was quite happy the original OST programs were included, as I did not have them previously. In cases where I did, such as PLANET OF THE APES or now THE PATRIOT, I sure don't mind if they are included. Especially if there are edits made to the soundtrack album or different takes used, I think the OST program is essential for a "definitive" type of edition. For some of these, these releases may be the last time they are going to be released in a physical format, so they might as well try to do it "right". There are cases where it is indeed redundant to include the OST program, if you can just easily program it yourself if you want, as is the case with LLL's STAR TREK II. But even there... I mean, that was a 2CD set anyway, so had they not included the OST program, people probably would have complained why they left the remaining CD space unused. I don't mind the OST being there. Also, it might be (I don't know) these expanded editions enable the labels to better budget their releases. The "expected" price for new CDs is around $20.- and has been for decades... which ironically means they have gotten cheaper and cheaper because of inflation. Add to that that fewer and fewer people still buy CDs, what can you do? You could just increase the price for a single CD to $25 or higher to make it worthwile... or you produce a 2 or 3CD set, with alternates and extras and OST and you can charge $30 or $40.-... that way, you can charge more, but you also give more. It's more or less "win-win". Better than just going higher with the prices you also try to offer more. Not sure how that factors in but I wouldn't be surprised if that is an issue. As far as space, that's not really an issue, is it? Because it doesn't take up more space if you get your "complete" 3CD patriot if that means that you can now throw out your old soundtrack CD. Same space used. In fact, a 2CD edition of film score on CD 1 and OST on CD 2 takes up less space in a slimline case than two separate jewel cases. (Same with the PATRIOT, whose 3CD case is probably not larger than a 2CD film score case plus a 1CD OST jewel case.) Or you keep 'em all and don't mind the space. I actually gave away my Danny Elfman OST album when I received the LLL, simply because that the OST was included.
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I'd like to expand upon this comments above, to back up why album presentations should be included (aside from the fact it's often contractually obligated and not up to the labels, so stop blaming the labels right away): Aside from edits found on the albums, there are alternate takes and different mixes. Even if it's not contractually obligated, having the old album remastered (sometimes re-built from the ground up) it awesome and a good reason to sell off/trade away/give away/donate the old release.
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I genuinely wonder how many people actually LIKE the redundant album programs being added. If I already have the OST, it's rather redundant, yes (except maybe improved sound quality). But if I don't own the OST, it's the ONLY draw to the album. Take away that, i.e. only have the complete score, and it's 100% worthless to me. It's one of the reasons why the Faltermeyer TOP GUN release isn't particularly attractive to me, despite the score itself being a holy grail for years. Same for Moroder's SCARFACE. There is no OST program there. True, the original soundtrack didn't have one either -- it was a songtrack, after all -- but if they had attempted a curated score program, or gotten Faltermeyer to create one (much like the bootleg score programme), and put that on a disc of its own, THEN we would be talking. THEN I'd probably be all over it. Of course, disregarding my monetary problems for the moment. Plus, many times the OSTs may be hard to find on the secondary market. I hope to God they keep on including the OST programme on these expansions for years to come. It’s Official Debbie Downer
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the "Epilogue / End Title" has the Nimoy voice-over only on the OST.
The original soundtrack album's End Title also uses takes 141 and 145, while the film only uses take 145
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I knew something was coming from Johnny T Wiiliams …because Mike Matessino gave it away on the Podcast of The Legacy of John Williams …Mike said he was hoping to come back at the end of the year to discuss a new project..Me thinks that The very Big John Barry scores would be to many good things last December…so it was slightly delayed.. This is great news!
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