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 Posted:   Jun 7, 2001 - 3:56 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I'll say it Stephen, THE PERSUADERS...nuff said!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2001 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Oh come on now, Timmer. Don't chicken out! Let's have an analysis of the PERSUADERS theme! http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/wink.gif">

As for CRUSADE, I, too, believe it was intended as a long-running series. Episode 13 ended with no resolution whatsoever...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2001 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   soundtrakker   (Member)

I purchased the 58-track CD, CBS THE FIRST 50 YEARS (TVT 1550-2), solely for the original GILLIGAN'S ISLAND song and music (complete with clap of thunder), which I cannot hear without at least as dozen repeats. Am I alone in my obsession?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2001 - 5:44 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

Many years ago, I used to watch KOJAK. At one point I noticed they'd changed the title music (but this was before I got interested in scores and soundtracks so I didn't take a vast amount of notice of it). As I've not seen the show in upwards of fifteen years or more, I've no recollection of the visuals, but I've always remembered that John Cacavas' theme was much more exciting that Billy Goldenberg's. It was only last week, though, that I finally heard Cacavas' theme again (courtesy of Intrada's CD sale), and I was right. It's MUCH better.

Matching to the visuals: I always liked the way Angelo Badalamenti's TWIN PEAKS theme went with the peaceful woodlands / nature footage at the start of 50 more minutes of deranged perversion and nonsense...

Regarding DYNASTY: I've an idea they edited the title sequence each week according to which regulars and semi-regulars were actually in it that week (whereas DALLAS ran the same sequence whether some of them were missing or not). And personally I preferred Conti's DYNASTY 2: THE COLBYS theme (which I guess worked in much the same way).

How about THE WEST WING?

NP: URBAN LEGENDS: FINAL CUT (John Ottman)

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2001 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

quote:
Originally posted by soundtrakker:
I purchased the 58-track CD, CBS THE FIRST 50 YEARS (TVT 1550-2), solely for the original GILLIGAN'S ISLAND song and music (complete with clap of thunder), which I cannot hear without at least as dozen repeats. Am I alone in my obsession?

A dozen repeats? http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/eek.gif"> If the neighbors can hear it, I'll bet they're ready to pack you off to your own desert island. http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/biggrin.gif">

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2001 - 3:04 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

>>Matching to the visuals: I always liked the way Angelo Badalamenti's TWIN PEAKS theme went with the peaceful woodlands / nature footage at the start of 50 more minutes of deranged perversion and nonsense...<<

An exquisite pick, Richard. TWIN PEAKS is, of course, my favourite TV series of all time (have you read http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/Forum1/HTML/000807.html" TARGET=_blank>this thread?) Of course, the music in this opening scene is all atmosphere and not really commenting on anything beyond that. But then again, the ENTIRE SERIES is - in my opinion - based on atmosphere, so it's very fitting.


>>Regarding DYNASTY: I've an idea they edited the title sequence each week according to which regulars and semi-regulars were actually in it that week (whereas DALLAS ran the same sequence whether some of them were missing or not).<<

Yeah, if not each week, then at least with (ir)regular intervals. This did not affect the music, though - as its overarching purpose was maintained.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2003 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm ressurecting this thread because I had a Conti recap yesterday (inspired by the ROCKY thread, no doubt). It occured to me just how much I would like a release of the ORIGINAL recordings of the DYNASTY and FALCON CREST themes. Why?

Well, although DALLAS was the first soap to premiere on Norwegian TV screens in the 70's, the two aforementioned series were the most popular during the 80's when I first became culturally conscious. Even though I was just a kid, I was an avid fan (along with my mother). There was something more classy and intelligent about these soaps than the current BOLD AND THE BEAUTIFUL-type crap that they show every day between noon and five in the afternoon. God, I can't think of anything worse than these series (and that goes for all the Spanish and Australian versions as well).

Anyway, what I wondered about is really: Are there any soundtrack releases that include Conti's themes for DYNASTY and FALCON CREST?? And I'm talking ORIGINAL recordings here. I already have a bad rerecording of the DYNASTY theme that has been added a cheesy pop beat.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2003 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   JOJ   (Member)

Anyway, what I wondered about is really: Are there any soundtrack releases that include Conti's themes for DYNASTY and FALCON CREST?? And I'm talking ORIGINAL recordings here.

I picked up a very inexpensive CD a few month ago here in Germany named "100% Television Themes" (no label, numer is TCD 2582) that to my astonishment has mostly original versions on it, including "Dynasty" and "Streets of San Francisco". No composer or music publisher credited on the whole CD, but it has a barcode. Sometimes it sounds as if the tracks were recorded directly from TV.

There is also a probably more legal double CD from France called "Génération TV" (Wagram 3043472) that has also "Dynasty" as OST on it among very interesting others.

But are you Americans still allowed to buy French CDs? And what about french fries? Does McDonald's still sell them?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2003 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I have no idea. I'm Norwegian!! smile

Thanks for the tips, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2003 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   TomDeMary   (Member)

try TVTRecords.com

find the TV themes collections.

I think it is volume 3 & 6 that have the themes you want. Don't know if they are the originals, but they have some sound samples.

P.S.
As for French fries, we Americans can only have them now if they are made from real French people.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2003 - 8:14 PM   
 By:   Monty   (Member)

Hoi ! You can find the themes of the succesive seasons at http://anewvintage.com/media.html
There is an excellent recording on Silva Screen records TVPMCD 807 (4CD set). You don't have to buy this compilation (100 greatest TV themes) because it's also on the net (mentioned as FC theme performed by the royal philharmonic orchestra)I think on the page a mentioned. Just check it out !

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2003 - 3:17 AM   
 By:   Batmusicfan   (Member)

HUH???? DADADADADADADADA BATMAN!


 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2003 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

wink

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2007 - 5:30 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

LOL! Reading the 7-year-old first post again, I´m struck by how "show-offy" it is, i.e. clearly written by someone in his early 20´s studying at master level, desperate to try out the new terms he has just learned.

BUT....I still think the topic of rhetorics and film/TV is interesting, especially since I´m actually holding a course in media rhetorics this year. So with that in mind, I thought this was worth ressurecting. Does anyone here have any relationship to rhetorics (or film music rhetorics)? What are some other TV themes in which the music plays a crucial rhetorical role in setting whatever mood or universe the whole series is about?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2007 - 6:14 AM   
 By:   Pariah   (Member)

Hi Thor

Your revisiting this thread is the first time I read (some) of it! I found a copy of a music book in a dusty old music shop for alto sax and piano, of various soap opera themes, both US and UK ones, a while back and it was interesting, in lieu of seeing actual scores, of these themes we know so well, like Dallas and Dynasty et al.

I read your opening analysis, not realising it was written a long time ago and your latest comment on your own opener was spot on! When you said that the theme was in typical sonata form, I just thought to myself, 'well, it's just a theme in typical song form, AABA.

Something that should be mentioned is that I haven't heard a decent TV theme from a new show for many years. Although I don't bother to watch much TV these days, where ER had a minimalist theme to start with, the new fangled version for the last season had reduced it to a few bangs and knocks, as it were. The one show I have started watching and keeping up on is Heroes and when I read the credits for the music, I think 'what music?'.

I may be behind the times, since I don't watch the boob tube but it seems to me now, most shows don't even have a title sequence per se and the music is a non entity, it's almost sound effects - a criticism I had against Goldsmith's film score Along Came A Spider, for instance.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2007 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   Simon Gomersall   (Member)

Interesting thread. Coincidentally, earlier this week I was transferring a few selected music files across to my phone, to use as ringtones. The only ones which really work well (i.e. as ringtones) are the old TV themes from the sixties and seventies: Lost in Space, Land of the Giants, Space:1999 (Season 1). Or, something like "The Incredits" (my current choice)composed in that "sixties" style.

It only occurred to me later that all the old TV stuff was always intended to be heard on TVs with sixties-era speaker technology, i.e. high-pitched, tinny, not much audible bass - which is exactly the sort of audio reproduction you get with the average phone speaker.

So, I suppose the point I'm trying to make (albeit a long-winded one) is that it's not just the structure of these little 50-second masterpieces, but also the dynamic range of the actual instruments employed, that was an important consideration.

Have a nice weekend!

SG

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2007 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Starkbier   (Member)

You guys are stuck in the 70s and 80s. Whereas the Main Title is nearly extinct in movies you can find great stuff on TV, especially on HBO: The Sopranos, Six Feet Under, The Wire, Carnivale, Rome, Deadwood, these are all fantastic title sequences, cut to the music, without mickey-mousing every second note.

And musically I like what e.g. Jeff Beal does for these shows, even if it isn't John Williams' Land of the Giants.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2007 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

You guys are stuck in the 70s and 80s. Whereas the Main Title is nearly extinct in movies you can find great stuff on TV, especially on HBO: The Sopranos, Six Feet Under, The Wire, Carnivale, Rome, Deadwood, these are all fantastic title sequences, cut to the music, without mickey-mousing every second note.

I agree. Since I wrote the first post, there has been an increase in longer opening titles with interesting musical soundscapes.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2007 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Nick Haysom   (Member)

I agree. Since I wrote the first post, there has been an increase in longer opening titles with interesting musical soundscapes.

And you thought the FSM Message Board had no influence...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2007 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   follow me   (Member)

What are some other TV themes in which the music plays a crucial rhetorical role in setting whatever mood or universe the whole series is about?

I´m not sure if it is only me (and everybody else might feel completely different about it), but FOR ME Laurie Johnson´s The Avengers - theme captured the whole essence of this series and established its mood perfectly. The Avengers films live from the music like no other series does. The title sequence from the colour episodes fits to all this perfectly. I´m speaking here of the Emma Peel-episodes. As great as John Dankworth´s theme is, it does not have the same effect on me. Neither does Johnson´s Tara King - music reach me on the same level as his original Avengers theme.

 
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