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 Posted:   Aug 8, 2014 - 10:37 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


Many? I'm not so sure. Can you list some examples?


Every US "soundtrack" album between the dawn of the LP era until maybe the late 70s or early 80s was marketed as a "soundtrack" album. I can't type that many titles. There are too many. They were virtually all re-recordings.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2014 - 11:58 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....Every US "soundtrack" album between the dawn of the LP era until maybe the late 70s or early 80s was marketed as a "soundtrack" album.


True.....virtually every "soundtrack" album WAS marketed as a "soundtrack" album---they always have been.

But.....every re-recorded album was NOT marketed as a "soundtrack" album.
They were marketed as "From the Original Motion Picture Score" or "Original Music from....", etc.

Re-recorded albums had to be very carefully and thoughtfully labelled. If not, the AFM would assume they were from the original scoring sessions and charge them an arm and a leg in re-use fees. That's why some were re-recorded in the first place.

Please give us a list of the "re-recordings" MARKETED as "soundtrack albums".

You can do this.....it won't take long. smile


.....I can't type that many titles. There are too many. They were virtually all re-recordings.

Nonsense.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 12:58 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Off the top of my head, I can't name any re-recordings that were marketed as "soundtracks" (although I don't doubt that there were some). But here’s a few LPs that we know were re-recordings—and how they were labeled:

Beneath the Planet of the Apes - Original Motion Picture Score
Breakfast at Tiffany's - Music From the Motion Picture Score
The Chapman Report - Original Motion Picture Score
The Caretakers - Original Motion Picture Score
The Carpetbaggers - Music from the Motion Picture
Charade - Music From the Motion Picture Score
Checkmate - Original Music From the CBS-TV Show
Duel at Diablo - Original Motion Picture Score
The Glory Guys - Original Motion Picture Score
The Great Escape – Original Motion Picture Score
Hatari! - Music From the Motion Picture Score
Hawaii - Original Motion Picture Score
The Hawaiians - Original Motion Picture Score
The Honey Pot - Original Motion Picture Score
How To Murder Your Wife - Original Motion Picture Score
In Like Flint - Original Motion Picture Score
It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad Mad World – Original Motion Picture Score
Judith - Music From the Score of the Motion Picture
Justine - Original Music from the Motion Picture
Khartoum - Original Motion Picture Score
Our Man Flint - Original Motion Picture Score
Patton - Original Motion Picture Score
Penelope - Original Music From the MGM Film
The Pink Panther - Music From the Film Score
The Robe - Music From the 20th Century Fox CinemaScope Production
Rosemary's Baby - Music From the Original Motion Picture Score
Sebastian - Music From the Original Motion Picture Score
The Secret of Santa Vittoria - Original Motion Picture Score
Sex and the Single Girl - Original Motion Picture Score
The Spy Who Came In From the Cold - Music From the Score of the Motion Picture
Stagecoach - Original Motion Picture Score
Taras Bulba – Original Music From the Motion Picture
Time After Time - Original Motion Picture Score
To Kill a Mockingbird - Music from the Motion Picture
Wild Rovers - Original Music From the Motion Picture

No mention of "soundtrack" on any of them.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 1:46 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Indeed. Even 'modern' soundtrack re-recordings as Brainstorm and The Black Couldron used the term 'original score'.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 2:58 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

As for a re-recording that was mislabeled, the original Arista LP release of THE FURY, now known to be a re-recording, was labeled "Original Soundtrack Recording."

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



Nonsense.


I have a room full of LPs. I do not keep my soundtracks segregated into one section. They are spread all over the room by genre.

I don't have time to go through all of them, but I'll tell you what: Whenever I find one that says "soundtrack" that was in fact a re-recording, I will post it.

Thank you.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 7:43 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)



Nonsense.


I have a room full of LPs. I do not keep my soundtracks segregated into one section. They are spread all over the room by genre.

I don't have time to go through all of them, but I'll tell you what: Whenever I find one that says "soundtrack" that was in fact a re-recording, I will post it.

Thank you.


The people who laid out LP album designs and wrote the copy were not necessarily people who knew or cared about the difference between a "soundtrack" and an album of re-recorded highlights from a film score. I think you are correct that there were some such mislabeled albums -- I remember being frustrated some times during those years about misleading nomenclature -- but I think you have (not uncharacteristically) overstated the pervasiveness of that practice. ("Music from" was a term that could mean pretty much whatever the album producer wanted it to mean, and not necessarily that the music was the actual scoring cues taken directly from the soundstage recordings.)

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   rmos   (Member)

The "Jaws" MCA LP is marked "Music from the Original Motion Picture Soundtrack." I thought I read here that the music on that LP was a re-recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 7:53 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

-- but I think you have (not uncharacteristically) overstated the pervasiveness of that practice. ("Music from" was a term that could mean pretty much whatever the album producer wanted it to mean, and not necessarily that the music was the actual scoring cues taken directly from the soundstage recordings.)

Yes, I probably did overstate my point, but I know that it happened over the years. I once tried to understand all of the differences between how soundtrack/score albums were described on the LP covers, but I realized that many of those descriptive phrases ended up being interchangeable, regardless of what I expected them to mean.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

The people who laid out LP album designs and wrote the copy were not necessarily people who knew or cared about the difference between a "soundtrack" and an album of re-recorded highlights from a film score.


I'm sure there are contractual regulations that prescribe the use of the terms as 'Music from the Motion Picture' and 'Original Soundtrack'.


 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


I'm sure there are contractual regulations that prescribe the use of the terms as 'Music from the Motion Picture' and 'Original Soundtrack'.


There may be now, but I don't think there were any back then. If there regulations, they were not always evenly or accurately applied.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)


I'm sure there are contractual regulations that prescribe the use of the terms as 'Music from the Motion Picture' and 'Original Soundtrack'.


There may be now, but I don't think there were any back then. If there regulations, they were not always evenly or accurately applied.



That, and not every contract has the same contents.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Other mislabeled LP re-recordings were:

BORN FREE - "Original Sound Track Recording."
BULLITT - "Original Motion Picture Soundtrack"
NOT WITH MY WIFE, YOU DON'T! - "Original Motion Picture Soundtrack Album"
SHAFT - "Music from the Soundtrack"
WHERE EAGLES DARE - "Music From the Motion Picture Soundtrack"

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Other mislabeled LP re-recordings were:

BORN FREE - "Original Sound Track Recording."
BULLITT - "Original Motion Picture Soundtrack"


Thank you, Bob!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

So far, we've identified 7 LP re-recordings that were mislabeled as "soundtracks" and 35 re-recordings that were not labeled as "soundtracks." My conclusion is that by and large the record labels were not misleading. Although I must admit that in my early days of collecting, the differences between a "soundtrack," "original score," and "music from the motion picture" were not all that important to me.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

So far, we've identified 7 LP re-recordings that were mislabeled as "soundtracks" and 35 re-recordings that were not labeled as "soundtracks." My conclusion is that by and large the record labels were not misleading.

Agree. I reviewed some 25 LPs by Rozsa, Newman, North, and Bernstein and found only one instance of apparent mislabeling: AIRPORT.

An ancillary question is why (or rather how) some scores were issued in soundtrack form and others were newly recorded for records. We know the basic reasons: Economy (to avoid re-use fees) and composer preference (when an artist preferred to rework his music). But who made the decisions and on what basis? Why, for example, were so many Fox films of the late fifties represented by actual soundtracks while other studios and record companies had differing practices?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

So far, we've identified 7 LP re-recordings that were mislabeled as "soundtracks" and 35 re-recordings that were not labeled as "soundtracks." My conclusion is that by and large the record labels were not misleading. Although I must admit that in my early days of collecting, the differences between a "soundtrack," "original score," and "music from the motion picture" were not all that important to me.

I agree, I don't think the labels were intending to mislead. I simply think that they were not as specific in their choice of words as they subsequently became. I'm sure that the majority of the listeners back then would not have known or cared whether the were re-recordings or not.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

An ancillary question is why (or rather how) some scores were issued in soundtrack form and others were newly recorded for records. We know the basic reasons: Economy (to avoid re-use fees) and composer preference (when an artist preferred to rework his music). But who made the decisions and on what basis? Why, for example, were so many Fox films of the late fifties represented by actual soundtracks while other studios and record companies had differing practices?

It’s hard to generalize, but I will anyway. Here are the primary Fox “soundtrack” LPs/EPs of the 1950s and who released them:

THE ROBE – Decca – Music From the 20th Century Fox CinemaScope Production
THE EGYPTIAN – Decca – Music From Daryl F. Zanuck’s THE EGYPTIAN
CARMEN JONES – RCA Victor – From the Original Sound Track of the Otto Preminger Film
THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE SHOW BUSINESS – Decca – Selections from the Sound Track
DADDY LONG LEGS – Capitol – Songs from the 20th Century Fox Picture
ANASTASIA – Decca – Music from the Sound Track
CAROUSEL – Capitol – From the Sound Track of the Motion Picture
THE KING AND I – Capitol - From the Sound Track of the Motion Picture
APRIL LOVE – Dot – Music From the Sound Track
BOY ON A DOLPHIN – Decca – Music from the Sound Track
PEYTON PLACE – RCA Victor – An Original Soundtrack Recording
THE BARBARIAN AND THE GEISHA – 20th Century Fox – Original Film Soundtrack
A CERTAIN SMILE – Columbia – An Original Sound Track Recording
THE INN OF THE SIXTH HAPPINESS - 20th Century Fox – Original Film Soundtrack
THE LONG HOT SUMMER – Roulette – Original Sound Track Album
THE ROOTS OF HEAVEN - 20th Century Fox – Original Film Soundtrack
SOUTH PACIFIC - RCA Victor – An Original Soundtrack Recording
THE YOUNG LIONS - Decca – The Sound Track Album
THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK - 20th Century Fox – Original Film Soundtrack
A DOG OF FLANDERS - 20th Century Fox – Original Film Soundtrack
THE SOUND AND THE FURY - Decca – The Sound Track Album

So, Fox started issuing re-recorded dramatic scores on Decca and ended the decade with original soundtracks released on Decca and their own label (with the occasional outlier). Fox musicals, on the other hand, were generally released on RCA or Capitol, and of necessity, were original soundtracks.

Why did other studios differ? Explanations vary. We know that Henry Mancini liked to re-record all of his scores during his 1960’s RCA contract, regardless of studio, in order to enhance listenability (and presumably record sales). M-G-M had a studio orchestra and generally paid the re-use fees to release original soundtracks on their own label, but BEN-HUR and KING OF KINGS were notable exceptions. Columbia primarily released original tracks on their Colpix and Colgems labels. Paramount did a mixture of original soundtracks and re-recordings during the 1960s. Warners had an orchestra and a label, and usually released original soundtracks, but occasionally mislabeled a re-recording.

United Artists had no studio, and therefore no studio orchestra. When they started their record label in 1958, it was less expensive to create releases by re-recording smaller orchestras than by re-paying the orchestras on the actual soundtracks. So they became big proponents of the “Original Motion Picture Score” releases, particularly for soundtracks recorded in the U.S. If the original soundtrack was recorded overseas, there was generally no big cost savings in a re-recording, so the original soundtrack was usually released.

Even Fox fell back into some re-recordings during the 1960s, primarily with Goldsmith scores (the FLINT films, STAGECOACH, JUSTINE, and PATTON). Many of these were originally recorded in the U.S. But Fox released (on their own and other labels) the original soundtracks for a lot of scores recorded overseas: FRANCIS OF ASSISI, ZORBA THE GREEK, THE LION, NINE HOURS TO RAMA, THOSE MAGNIFICENT MEN IN THEIR FLYING MACHINES, THE BIBLE, THE BLUE MAX, MODESTY BLAISE, etc.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 4:19 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Bob, I have said it before, you are a wealth of information, and your posts are so valuable to this board.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

So the million dollar question: If Capitol had access to the film tracks for that 10" album, what happened to those that did not make the album? Is a complete release possible?

 
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