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 Posted:   Jan 16, 2007 - 9:35 PM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

I was living in Salzburg, Austria, when the film was in theaters, and "Wand'rin' Star" was Number 1 there, as well. I heard it in clubs and on the radio, all the time. I liked his monotone delivery of it, and the orchestration was great. My only real issue with it, is Logan's lousy direction of it. As for how they say "Maria", I believe that's just the old western way of saying it. The American phonetic way Ma-rye-a, rather than the Latin Ma-ree-yah.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2007 - 9:51 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

The American phonetic way Ma-rye-a, rather than the Latin Ma-ree-yah.

Reminds me of La Mancha's "Duhl-cinea" rather than the proper "Dool-cinea". The former is quite cringe-inducing to any self-respecting Latino.smile

The only other "Maria" I have ever seen and heard was performed by Richard Kiley in an old PBS tribute to Alan Jay Lerner. Kiley was certainly no slouch, either, and his was a memorable rendition. But Presnell's was just plain electrifying here, that's for sure. The LP is really something to listen to.

I can recall hearing "Wand'rin' Star" on the radio as a young teen and just thought it was a Hollywood actor trying to see if he could vocalize a la Richard Chamberlain and George Maharis earlier and Patrick Swayze later, for example. Had no idea it was from a film. As has been described, the vocalization was so Marvin...and worked!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2007 - 3:02 AM   
 By:   GMP   (Member)

I always liked the soundtrack, the orchestrations are great.

The films holds up okay on DVD but seeing it on the big screen was a disappointment. The direction in pretty bad - I understand Alan Jay Learner "Co-directed" the film every inch of the way. Lee Marvin is wonderful as is the entire cast, but the story doesn't get going until act two and by then 90 long minutes have gone by and then there is still 70 more to come.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2007 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   Bill Finn   (Member)

I always liked the soundtrack, the orchestrations are great.

The films holds up okay on DVD but seeing it on the big screen was a disappointment. The direction in pretty bad - I understand Alan Jay Learner "Co-directed" the film every inch of the way. Lee Marvin is wonderful as is the entire cast, but the story doesn't get going until act two and by then 90 long minutes have gone by and then there is still 70 more to come.



Actually, we could mention the composer of the background score (and orchestrator) here:

Nelson Riddle

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2007 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

I was living in Salzburg, Austria, when the film was in theaters, and "Wand'rin' Star" was Number 1 there, as well.

When they weren't belting choruses of Die Wach am Rhein down at the beer-hall.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2007 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   laurent59   (Member)

"Wandering Star" great song, awesome Lee Marvin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdtXmBZsaM4

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2007 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

"Gonna paint this wagon, gonna paint it fine. I'm gonna use an oil base paint, because the wood is pine."

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2007 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   moviejoemovies   (Member)

I never could understand why the different version of "The First Thing You Know" was used in the Film rather than the Soundtrack Album Version which I feel is superior and far more listenable. Being so used to hearing the Album, it really grates when I watch the Movie.

Anyone have any inside information on why this decision by the Filmmakers.?

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2007 - 10:10 PM   
 By:   SoundScope   (Member)

I too love this movie, if for no other reason, as an example of "the kind they don't make anymore." Film making has become so casual and this was from a period that still adheard to classy, elegant production values and presentation.

I was thrilled when I first saw it (I was about 16) during its roadshow presentation. I was still reeling from (IMO) the glory that was STAR! but almost hurt that it was not received more enthusiastically. Alas, by the time PAINT YOUR WAGON arrived, the age of the huge, "scope", super stereo musicals was over and it's poor reception as well, made it all to bittersweet. (GOODBY MR. CHIPS, is another example of a really good film being "dismissed" as too old fashioned and out of touch.)

I feel this film, as so many others of that time, is terribly underrated. It is a really entertaining and enjoyable film, expertly produced, photographed and directed.

Josh Logan always had a way of injecting a kind of hard to notice (but still evident), seething sexuality into his films. SOUTH PACIFIC, CAMELOT, PICNIC, etc. all have this quality. PAINT YOUR WAGON just happend to have it in spades. For lack of better description, it featured a three-way! I always loved this quality about his films, and to this day, I love them because of it. PAINT YOUR WAGON is high on my list!

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2007 - 10:20 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)


Josh Logan always had a way of injecting a kind of hard to notice (but still evident), seething sexuality into his films. SOUTH PACIFIC, CAMELOT, PICNIC, etc. all have this quality. PAINT YOUR WAGON just happend to have it in spades. For lack of better description, it featured a three-way! I always loved this quality about his films, and to this day, I love them because of it. PAINT YOUR WAGON is high on my list!


Yeah...Marvin and Eastwood had a sweet thing goin' till Seberg showed up!

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2007 - 10:39 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I hate to say it - but anytime someone brings up this movie, all I can think about was the Paint Your Wagon segment on one of the Simpson's clip shows (one of their last truely funny jokes)

("It's Lee Marvin! He's always drunk and violent!")

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2007 - 10:58 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)


(To say nothing of Donald Pleasence's genuinely embarrassing, if not outright offensive, inebriated "Indian". Where was PC when you really needed it?!)


Sorry, but Donald Pleasence as the inebriated seer "Oracle Jones" was one of the redeeming parts for me. Martin Landau, along with others, played inebriated indians.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2007 - 12:31 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

"Wandering Star" great song, awesome Lee Marvin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdtXmBZsaM4


Ah, of course. The miracle that is youtube! Here is the Presnell number:

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2007 - 1:36 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I haven't seen this in years, not since hippies and flower children along with dinosaurs ruled the earth. I should rent it to see if I would have a different reaction to it now. I do remember liking the songs. I really liked Presnell's song. He had a wonderful voice, and I wish he would have done more musicals. (See Unsinkable Molly Brown.)

However, I remember in detail my personal reaction to the "threesome." I was absolutely horrified! To see Seberg have to switch hit each night between a hairy, unattractive Marvin and a sweet handsome Eastwood made my skin crawl. I kept wondering how she could have anything to do with Marvin. Guess it was the romantic in me that was glad when Marvin moved on. Maybe I'll try it again. One can always turn if off.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2007 - 2:24 AM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

Seberg just needed Marvin Mitchelson as her lawyer to file a palimony suit against Marvin, like Michelle Triola.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2007 - 3:11 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

With digital technology, there's always the hope of a "Paint Your Wagon/Brokeback Mountain/Gunsmoke" mashup. I'd love to hear Dan Blocker sing "They Call the Wind Mariah" to Clint Eastwood or Lee Marvin.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2007 - 4:27 AM   
 By:   nightscape94   (Member)

I just keep thinking about that "Simpsons" episode when Homer rents the movie and mistakenly believes it will be another badass Eastwood affair....until the singing starts.

"I'm gonna paint this wagon,
I'm gonna paint it fine,
I'm going to use oil-based paint
because this wood is pine."


Tim

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2007 - 9:34 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)



"I Talk to the Trees........
.........That's why they put me away!....."

big grin big grin big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2007 - 7:30 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

For me: the best (truly: BEST) musical of the last 50 years ...
... well, since, High Society (the best musical - ever!)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2007 - 8:48 PM   
 By:   mulan98   (Member)

PAINT YOUR WAGON is a testament to how sumptuously, ravishingly gorgeous movies in the 1950s and 1960s could look, and just how dreadfully awful a film from any period could be.

A few years earlier, my cousins made an equally ill-conceived film called THE HALLELUJAH TRAIL. It's jaw-droppingly beautiful to look at, has a terrific cast, and boasts a magnificent Elmer Bernstein score -- and is utterly unwatcheable. A comedy that is not only not funny, but offensively unfunny. At an hour and thirty minutes it would be just another very bad movie but, at two hours and forty-five minutes, it's a crime against humanity.

Obviously, both films had been made by people who had great track records, and should've known better (well, Joshua Logan seems to have specialized in making wretched movies; he was a disaster as a film director) but, for whatever reason(s), they inflicted their -- shall we say -- imperfect visions on an unsuspecting and undeserving public.

It just goes to prove that all the money and good intentions in the world don't automatically yield a work of art, or worthwhile entertainment.



Ah bless.

The laboriously nom-de-plumed Mark of Score-o clearly under the impression that he's a mover and a shaker.

Still waiting for those other MGM movies of the 50's that you stated had mute, stationary MGM lions in the style of BEN-HUR.

I can personally vouch for audiance enjoyment of both HALLELUJAH TRAIL and PAINT YOUR WAGON.

How can you state that a movie is magnificently cast and photographed with a wonderful score without having seen it at least several times.

And these cousins of yours....

What qualifications do do have to state opinion as fact when refering to the work of Josh Logan?

You sound to me like a potential candidate for the next seriers of the UK Big Brother.

 
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