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 Posted:   Aug 29, 2012 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Great Escape   (Member)

Disgusting.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2012 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   ericgoing   (Member)

The Hallmark idiots not only digitized the Filmation library from 16mm prints, they did it solely from PAL transfers. They never intended for the library to reach North American ownership again. Dream Works has since bought the characters Classic Media owned.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2012 - 6:52 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

I bet this includes "Fantastic Voyage" too, which contains one of the most distinctive main titles for an animated series. My question is: WHY?

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   SunSword   (Member)

This thread makes me sick to my stomach. So much great material gone forever. Unless the composers themselves kept copies of the music masters.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

This thread makes me sick to my stomach. So much great material gone forever. Unless the composers themselves kept copies of the music masters.

>>John Marion's music from the 1966 New Adventures of Superman? Superboy? Aquaman? The Justice League of America?

This explains why on DC's 75th these musical clips soundes so bad like someone held a recorder up to a TV bad.

Ellis was quoted on FSM as Hallmark owns it.

This is absolutely disgusting. Its too bad there aint such a thing as Court for Crimes Against Film Music. What was this "my nephews summer plan" for brining in more revenue. Id like to see the names of all involved as widely distributed and blasted.

Why dont we get stromberg, sae etc involve to recreate music. We'll never get it any other way.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I bet this includes "Fantastic Voyage" too, which contains one of the most distinctive main titles for an animated series. My question is: WHY?

I feel so much the same way about Fantastic Voyage.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Please tell me they destroyed that horrible Ghost Busters cartoon?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

I bet this includes "Fantastic Voyage" too, which contains one of the most distinctive main titles for an animated series. My question is: WHY?

I feel so much the same way about Fantastic Voyage.


Same here. Loved that main theme. Somebody was kind enough to post the first two episodes on YouTube





Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   JDH   (Member)

I'm new to this thread - what is the story with the Johnny Douglas scores referred to previously (in 2007!)? It would be a terrible shame if his Dungeons and Dragons/Hulk music is lost, as it's high on my most wanted list...

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   Great Escape   (Member)

... and Journey to the Center of the Earth!

Lou Scheimer must be turning over in his grave with his legacy so squandered. This ranks among such tragedies as Metromedia's erasing of Paul Winchell's "Winchell-Mahoney Time" tapes out of spite over a law suit and thus wiping his legacy out of existence.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 5:23 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

The very same thing happened when Merv Griffin's late night C.B.S. talk show that aired from 1969 to 1972 had all their tapes (save one) wiped off when he tried to get them back. Griffin even admitted he made a mistake that when he lent videotapes of his talk show that was syndicated by Westinghouse to his friends, he never got them back.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

I bet this includes "Fantastic Voyage" too, which contains one of the most distinctive main titles for an animated series. My question is: WHY?

I feel so much the same way about Fantastic Voyage.


Same here. Loved that main theme. Somebody was kind enough to post the first two episodes on YouTube





Greg Espinoza


However, there's a good chance that the series might be put out on D.V.D.-R. On Demand from either Twilight Time or Fox Cinema Archives, since Filmation coproduced the series with 20th Century-Fox Television.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 5:35 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

The Hallmark idiots not only digitized the Filmation library from 16mm prints, they did it solely from PAL transfers. They never intended for the library to reach North American ownership again. Dream Works has since bought the characters Classic Media owned.

To clarify, Hallmark did the PAL transfers themself I believe, and that meant for a show like "Secrets Of Isis" they would cut the "closing moral" sequence that was integral to every Filmation live action show in that era and then after the transfer, junk the original film masters completely meaning the material that didn't make the original transfer was now gone forever.

When "Isis" was released on DVD by the now defunct BCI label, they included most of the Season 1 closing morals in a supplement. These came from off-air recordings on Betamax made during the show's original CBS airings by cast member Joanna Pang (because Joanna was replaced for the second season of episodes filmed, she didn't tape those episodes and thus all the Season 2 morals are still lost).

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 5:38 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

..Lou Scheimer must be turning over in his grave with his legacy so squandered.

Umm, Lou is still alive actually.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   Great Escape   (Member)

..Lou Scheimer must be turning over in his grave with his legacy so squandered.

Umm, Lou is still alive actually.


I stand corrected. In the late '80s or early '90s I spoke to him once on the phone. He was interested in licensing a property I had the rights to. Seemed like a very nice, humble man with great integrity. I'm not sure how I got it in my mind that he had passed on, but glad to hear I was wrong.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2012 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   Paul Ettinger   (Member)

Well five years later I think I can give you source of the original quote if anyone is still intersted in it's veracity. That was from DVD producer Andy Mangels who was working on the Filmation DVD series and was looking for all the additional materials he could get to add as DVD extras. He would have added music-only tracks and really whatever he could lay his hands on as extras but sadly those value-added items were no longer in existence.

Ordinarily I wouldn't "out" the source even five years later but he posted that message under his name with all names intact on the AVmaniacs site - and contemporaneous with my original post so I'm not sure why he asked for the discretion on my part.

Anyway, the whole story has been available without the names X'd out over at AVmaniacs (dot) com for years.

Ethically some might say I am still bound by my promise of discretion. And in truth, I think I still am. But all the information was available (from Andy) if you did a search for it anyway.
I hope Hallmark doesn't send people to break our legs.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2012 - 1:16 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

This really makes me sad... As Ed just mentioned, it seemed like it was the same 3 or 4 cues showing up in every episode I saw recently. Very repetitive but the music was terrific, just the same. Perhaps someone will be bold enough to reconstruct this music and do new recordings some day.


I agree; a one-disc re-recording, if were done with the same instruments and tender loving care, would be nice item for vintage Trekkers like myself. Or the Ray Ellis estate might have his personal copies, much like Joe Harnell's TV score tapes that turned out so well on CD.

It's unfortunate that the tapes were destroyed by barbarians. It wasn't the Library of Alexandria, but it meant something to us.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2012 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   Metryq   (Member)

However, there's a good chance that the series might be put out on D.V.D.-R. On Demand from either Twilight Time or Fox Cinema Archives, since Filmation coproduced the series with 20th Century-Fox Television.

FANTASTIC VOYAGE is available on DVD from sellers such as Amazon.UK:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fantastic-Voyage-The-Complete-Series/dp/B005SDDE7K/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1346501365&sr=8-4

Viewers not in PAL/Region 2 can easily overcome that obstacle with multi-region players and other options on computer. I've seen the series for sale in the US on DVD-R, and I took a chance on one such package. It turned out to be extremely noisy, off-air recordings (with the station "bug" in the corner of the screen). I've seen JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH offered in the same manner, and I expect the "quality" is the same. The UK version of FANTASTIC VOYAGE is the only one I've seen that looks legit.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2012 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I'm new to this thread - what is the story with the Johnny Douglas scores referred to previously (in 2007!)? It would be a terrible shame if his Dungeons and Dragons/Hulk music is lost, as it's high on my most wanted list...
Do you mean hulk tas of early 80's. Great music

 
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