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 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   shadowman   (Member)



According to one website, the prints (or maybe later tapes) of the show were discarded, but low-quality (*mumble*bootlegs*mumble*) survived from a set of Canadian prints/tapes.

Also, from what I've read, the show was the first of the 1966 season to get cancelled, specifically because of violence -- and having seen a few (low-quality) episodes, I'm not surprised. It's DAMN violent for a 1960s show, with shootings and stabbings galore.

It's very film noir-ish, and virtually every episode has Robert Loggia encountering some bad guys who've threatened/attacked/kidnapped/killed a friend of his... and then Loggia would wreak pretty serious violence upon them. (And for a hero/protagonist, he seemed to have no qualms about killing any bad guy who got in his way. I've heard that this was what also got "Wild, Wild West" cancelled -- Congress had hearings about TV violence in the 1960s, and James West's penchant for simply shooting bad guys had some serious consequences in the later seasons.)

But even as a 5 or 6 year old kid, I thought Robert Loggia was cool as hell. He wore black turtlenecks, drove a black 1966 Corvette, carried grappling hooks, scaled tall buildings, used martial arts moves (kicks and throws), and had a knife up his sleeve, which he would often whip out and throw at people -- sometimes to fatal effect.

And finally, two musical points: Al Hirt did a version of the "T.H.E. Cat" theme on his album "The Horn Meets the Hornet." I'm not a fan of this version, though, because the trumpet is WAY too "blatty-wah-wah" for my tastes.

Also (attention Bill Smith), Lalo Schifrin did the Jimmy Smith theme you mentioned above -- it's called "The Cat," but it's not the same as the "T.H.E. Cat" theme.

http://www.vervemusicgroup.com/product.aspx?ob=prd&src=list&pid=10255

-- Jon


Maybe all is not lost. Paramount must have saved many of their shows of that period. Star Trek was cancelled after 3
seasons,and who knew at that time,that it would become as popular as it has. Other
Paramount shows like Wild Wild West,Mission:Impossible,and Hawaii 5-0
have made it to DVD. If Paramount kept prints of these shows,maybe they kept them
of most of their other shows,including
T.H.E. Cat?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 4:38 AM   
 By:   shadowman   (Member)



This was also the reason why the 1960s Hanna Barbera superhero cartoon shows (like Space Ghost, The Herculoids, etc.) were cancelled -- people thought they were too violent for kids.

-- Jon


Too violent!? What's more violent than
Elmer Fudd getting blown up by Bugs Bunny,
or Wily Coyote getting flattened by some
mechanical contraption from the Acme Company every 20 seconds. Nobody ever
cancelled Warner Bros. cartoons for
violent content. Just ridiculous.
Space Ghost,Herculoids,Shazzan; all great!
By today's standards( or maybe substandards),they would be tame. Great
detail on the animation,and of course,really great music. Wish somebody would put out some of the soundtrack music
for Space Ghost,Herculoids,Shazzan,and
Frankenstein Jr. and the Impossibles. That would be an immediate buy.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   shadowman   (Member)

Yeah, I remember this. It debuted the year NBC hired film-poster artists to do artwork to sell the shows...I fondly recall the ones for "I Spy" "The Man from U.N.C.L.E." and some new series called "Star Trek." The one for Thomas Hewitt Edward just had his figure with his grappling-hook in full back-swing.

This was the show I really wanted to watch that year. The promos were great. Sadly, I didn't see too many of them.


NBC made available for sale,4 posters,if you wrote away for them. They were:
I Spy, Bonanza,Get Smart,and Man From
U.N.C.L.E. I'm not aware if any others
were ever made available. I did get those
and hung them up in my room. Sadly, the ravages of time took their toll on them.
I wish I had taken better care of them.
They were really cool.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Arch Stanton   (Member)

The Al Hirt 'Horn Meets The Hornet' lp was the very first lp I ever bought, and I got it just for the T.H.E. CAT theme. It was my favorite show at the time and I was crushed when it was cancelled.

But I don't think it was the violent content that got it cancelled. As I recall, it was in the same time slot as something much more popular and suffered from poor ratings. MANNIX was actually much more violent its first few seasons, but it was very popular and so was re-tooled with a softer edge. (I believe it was actually MANNIX more than any other show that forced the crackdown on TV violence.)

And I think the Al Hirt version of T.H.E. CAT is wonderful. Of course it features his trumpet more prominently, but the backup arrangement is quite excellent, as it is on all the TV themes on that album. (You have to hear the theme from the cartoon show KING KONG to believe it! Incredibly powerful for the rinky dink theme the original really was.)

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Jon A. Bell   (Member)



Do you remember any of the music which accompanied the promos for NBC week. The promos played frequently in between programs airing on NBC during the summer of 66'. I remember spending most of the daytime watching NBC game shows during the week just to hear that great music which accompanied the promos. 1966-1967,my favorite year for t.v. shows.


I just heard the music for that promo (the part where they introduce "Cat" -- and it's a theme that I've had stuck in my head for 40 years! It's sort of a repeating, chugging rhythm, and that music, accompanied by the visuals of Loggia walking a tightrope and throwing his grappling hook, has stuck with me since 1966.

The weird thing is, the show was filmed on the Paramount lots for NBC... but I can't tell from the episode credits what actual production company made it. It was created by Harry Julian Fink (Dirty Harry) and Boris Sagal.

If a legitimate DVD set of this show came out, I'd buy it in an instant.

-- Jon

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   Jon A. Bell   (Member)

The Al Hirt 'Horn Meets The Hornet' lp was the very first lp I ever bought, and I got it just for the T.H.E. CAT theme. It was my favorite show at the time and I was crushed when it was cancelled.

But I don't think it was the violent content that got it cancelled. As I recall, it was in the same time slot as something much more popular and suffered from poor ratings. MANNIX was actually much more violent its first few seasons, but it was very popular and so was re-tooled with a softer edge. (I believe it was actually MANNIX more than any other show that forced the crackdown on TV violence.)

And I think the Al Hirt version of T.H.E. CAT is wonderful. Of course it features his trumpet more prominently, but the backup arrangement is quite excellent, as it is on all the TV themes on that album. (You have to hear the theme from the cartoon show KING KONG to believe it! Incredibly powerful for the rinky dink theme the original really was.)


Here's the 1966 TV schedule:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966-67_United_States_network_television_schedule

I'm surprised that "Cat" didn't do better, since it followed "The Man from U.N.C.L.E.", and was up against the second half of The Milton Berle Show and the middle of the CBS Friday Night Movie.

Regarding the violence, I don't know if that's what really killed it; I've just read speculation online that this was the issue (the show was apparently the first casualty of the 1966 season.) It *is* very dark and sinister for a 1960s TV series.

As for the Al Hirt version of the "Cat" theme, I just wish the trumpet solo weren't so "wah-wah" and "dirty" -- I'd prefer it more "cool" and upbeat, rather than sounding like a porno track. :-)

-- Jon

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I remember this, it ran in England in the late '60s. As I remember, (& I could be wrong here) Mr. Cat was a magician, who would run into a woman with troubles; blackmailed/stolen jewels ect.& solve these problems by dressing up in black at night & walking along the tops of walls, jumping from window sill to window sill in slow motion, just like a .....cat (just as well his name wasn't Gerbil). It was a good-bad show, we used to have a laugh about it at work.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Arch Stanton   (Member)

I remember this, it ran in England in the late '60s. As I remember, (& I could be wrong here) Mr. Cat was a magician, who would run into a woman with troubles...

I thought he was a former cat burglar/acrobat now working as a professional bodyguard out of the Casa del Gato (house of the cat) bar, but memory fades.

And there are copies of episodes floating around, but the ones I've seen are completely washed out and almost unwatchable.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

I just watched the two intros on Youtube (I'm starting to understand the use of this site).
It is such a very good example of what music can do.
I US love action-series of those days. The title design is very much of that day and looks great.
The music however is not much to write home about.
Oh it's capable but it doesn't stand out, and this series needs that.
Oddly enough whenever I heard the "Man from U.N.C.L.E." opening theme I always imagined that was the kind of music that "T.H.E. Cat" would be using too. The low thumping baseline really sounds like the agile dampened feet of a cat on the prowl.
I don't dare to say if the intro music had been different, the show might have stood more chance of surviving but it might have made more impact as a total package. It says something about those days though when networks still felt responsible of curbing the amount of violence (wonder what they would have thought of the A-team). Nowadays it seems "you can kill 'em but you can't kiss 'em dear" (Victor Victoria and as true as it is sad).

Kind regards.

D.S.

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   Jon A. Bell   (Member)

I don't dare to say if the intro music had been different, the show might have stood more chance of surviving but it might have made more impact as a total package. It says something about those days though when networks still felt responsible of curbing the amount of violence (wonder what they would have thought of the A-team).

Well, it was the overall feel of the show that was very different. It was a half-hour drama (an idea which seemed to have died in the 1960s), and the tone of it was very dark, film-noirish. Most of the episodes took place at night, and the use of music in each episode was pretty cool (since Cat worked out of a nightclub that featured jazz.)

-- Jon

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   Stefan Miklos   (Member)

Attention! attention!

To all CAT fans,

Please register and vote for this series at TVShowsOnDVD:
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newuser.cfm
United, we will have a chance!


Find the current result for that title.

Voting Results

Unreleased Rank: 1024th
Overall Rank: 1591st
Season Set: 266 (96%)
Best of: 49 (18%)
Individual Episodes: 34 (12%)
Total Number of Voters: 276

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   shadowman   (Member)

Attention! attention!

To all CAT fans,

Please register and vote for this series at TVShowsOnDVD:
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newuser.cfm
United, we will have a chance!


Find the current result for that title.

Voting Results

Unreleased Rank: 1024th
Overall Rank: 1591st
Season Set: 266 (96%)
Best of: 49 (18%)
Individual Episodes: 34 (12%)
Total Number of Voters: 276


This is a great site,maybe the best. for information about t.v. on dvd.Unfortunately,With rankings like that, "T.H.E. Cat" has less of a chance of making it to dvd than
Joe Biden has of making it to the white house,unless he's invited to dinner,which
isn't likely.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2007 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)



I thought he was a former cat burglar/acrobat now working as a professional bodyguard out of the Casa del Gato (house of the cat) bar, but memory fades.

And there are copies of episodes floating around, but the ones I've seen are completely w
ashed out and almost unwatchable.


I'm sure you're right, I've drunk a lot of red wine since then.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2007 - 12:22 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

The one daytime game show which debuted earlier in 1966 which I recall was "Chain Letter" hosted by Jan Murray.

Oh yes; "You BROKE the chain!" Boy did I love that guy.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2007 - 1:19 AM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

They broke the chain...and now Jan Murray is dead!

See how it works?


Maybe all is not lost. Paramount must have saved many of their shows of that period. Star Trek was cancelled after 3
seasons,and who knew at that time,that it would become as popular as it has. Other
Paramount shows like Wild Wild West,Mission:Impossible,and Hawaii 5-0
have made it to DVD. If Paramount kept prints of these shows,maybe they kept them
of most of their other shows,including T.H.E. Cat?


Remember that Star Trek was produced by Desilu, not Paramount. Paramount acquired the show and all its produced episodes when Lucille Ball sold her interest in it to the studio.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2007 - 1:39 AM   
 By:   Jon A. Bell   (Member)

Remember that Star Trek was produced by Desilu, not Paramount. Paramount acquired the show and all its produced episodes when Lucille Ball sold her interest in it to the studio.

That's what I'm trying to figure out -- there's no production company listed in the end credits or after them, so I can't really figure out who actually made it. Producer Boris Sagal died back in the early 80s, but series creator Harry Julian Fink is still around, so maybe he could shed some light on it (I might send a letter to him via his agent.)

I don't mean to be obsessed by this, but it's interesting to see some long-lost things from my childhood re-surface -- it's a mystery I'd like to solve. :-)

-- Jon

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2007 - 1:50 AM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

I hope Paramount and CBS follow their lead with the success of HAWAII 5-0 and tackle MANNIX next. That started as a Desilu production as well in 1967, ended up in the Paramount canon. I loved that show.

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2007 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   Stefan Miklos   (Member)

I hope Paramount and CBS follow their lead with the success of HAWAII 5-0 and tackle MANNIX next. That started as a Desilu production as well in 1967, ended up in the Paramount canon. I loved that show.

Ditto Joe.

Lew Wickersham
Head of Intertech

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2007 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

The company for which Joe Mannix worked (in later seasons he was a truly self-employed private eye) was called InterTect, not "Intertech."

 
 Posted:   Mar 15, 2007 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

I always thought Gail Fisher's portrayal of Mannix girl Friday, Peggy was top drawer. She added a lot to that series. This was a very popular show, so I'm hoping it shows up. I'd also like to see the 1972 "Here's Lucy" epeisode released entitled, "Lucy meets Mannix", where Mike Conners played his character, in of all things, a sitcom.

 
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