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 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   BobJ   (Member)

Scoredude, just start your own label and show these upstarts that have been in the business for years how it is done.

Problem solved.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

Thankfully most of the scores for a new person to get started with are available. Invaders is not in my list of Top 100 nor is Scorpio.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

Tom, I don't think increasing prices is going to bring more fans. No way.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

As I said the stroke took all the energy out of me and I couldn't do it anymore. May you never have one. Take care of yourself.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)


It seems to have been a result of a festering amount of resentment for having missed out on something.


If that's what you think, then I don't think you actually read the thread, Ron. smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

I agree with TJ, James made some good points. This should be a fun hobby.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Scoredude, I now understand what you consider the problem, but I haven't got a clue as to how Intrada becoming a wholesaler would in any way solve that problem. It would increase the middlemen involved (and by the way, they do wholesale to other soundtrack specialty stores already), it would not increase supplies by a single CD.


Absolutely- "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop the drain."

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

You don't get up at 4AM to get to the store and get a dozen eggs because they'll be sold out by 4:30AM. Don't you get more so that all can have some?

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

You don't get up at 4AM to get to the store and get a dozen eggs because they'll be sold out by 4:30AM. Don't you get more so that all can have some?

Not sure I'm following this. But remember, production numbers on these CDs are set for a variety of complicated reasons that are contractual with not just the studios but with the musicians' unions. It's not simply a matter of pressing a number on the Ronco CD Press-O-Matic.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

You don't get up at 4AM to get to the store and get a dozen eggs because they'll be sold out by 4:30AM. Don't you get more so that all can have some?


Well, food is a necessity. Music is not, although I certainly consider music itself a necessity in my own life, these super duper limited editions are a luxury, not a necessity.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   ScoreDude   (Member)

My main concern in this entire constructive discussion that we had is the issue of this hobby becoming too much of an elite group. I think that was the point James was trying to make. We need to attract new people.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

I supposed, I just don't feel it's my job to bring others to film music fandom.

If you feel its your duty, great. I think you guys kind of already do that through your reviews.


But I don't think increasing print runs of titles which are mostly obscure is going to do anything--except make boxes and boxes of titles sit in intrada wherehouses or the retaielrs who stock up on them.


There's so many OOP titles still available at moviemusic (and SAE) with no markup or $5 markup, i even posted a thread of it at the intrada forum...but they still sit, despite being "sold out", there still doesn't seem to be huge demand for said titles.

I also don't think "film music fans" are elitist relatively compared to other genres, but thats just me.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   MWRuger   (Member)

The problem is not Intrada or even limited editions. It is collectors who treat music like stock investments.

I have said and will say again; stop buying from scalpers and speculators. You are funding these guys to bend you over in the future. As long as you line up to give them money, they will take it.

I, and I am sure others, will gladly make you a CD-R copy of any sold-out limited edition for nothing, zero, nada. You can have the music and you can stop funding these guys so they will move on to someone else's hobby.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   Agent Norman Newman   (Member)

Pretty much, yep.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

My main concern in this entire constructive discussion that we had is the issue of this hobby becoming too much of an elite group. I think that was the point James was trying to make. We need to attract new people.

I'm not altogether sure that's "our" mission. "Becoming too much of an elite group" doesn't really strike me as being based on anything tangible. It does strike me as having to do with being empathetic to those who missed out on getting something because of a sell-out. I understand that feeling, but it has nothing to do with the love/acquisition of film music being "elitist."

The truth is, it always "was" elitist in terms of how many people would ever become film music fans.

Film music fans simply "become fans" and they do so at an impressionable age, if my experience and the experience of so many others I know has any bearing on things.

I know older ones, somewhat younger ones and really young ones. And nobody brought them to film music. They found us at filmus-l (a discussion group) and here at FSM Messageboard.

There are not a lot of us, but I don't think we're going to be able to proselytize if the taste level and love of the aesthetic isn't present in the individual. I think it's a given that it's the rare "genetics" that produce the film music fan! big grin

I've encountered newbies who come along and say, "Hey! I've heard all about this and that, and I've read how great so-and-so is supposed to be, but none of the recordings are available any more." And this continues to be true, although there is far more available at reasonable prices today than was true a mere 15 years ago.

It was even truer in my "fan infancy", too. I began collecting LP soundtracks in 1962. I didn't have much to spend, and there weren't many new titles issued in a year's time, either. As a newbie, I had to spend what few dollars I had on things I absolutely loved based on having seen them at the movies or on TV.

By frequenting the record stores, and buying soundtrack recordings, I'd often encounter someone else doing the same thing. We would exchange pleasantries but neither of us would think much of the other one because each of us would recommend something to the other that we hated. big grin

I've known a "handful" of people who share my tastes in film music. Several of them are right here. Others are on other forums or don't participate. Sadly, others have died.

Still...we each came to film music through love of "films", and I think it's the making-available of films that will spur interest in someone toward the music.

For that unique soul who has seen the movies and laments about not being able to find or afford OOP recordings, I extend my hand in friendship and sharing.

That's the way it was back in the early 60s with so many recordings out of print or very hard to find. I don't reckon anything suggested here will actually ever change that.

There will continue to be titles that elude the casual, newer collector. There will continue to be more experienced collectors with more titles who will share.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   zippy   (Member)

The problem is not Intrada or even limited editions. It is collectors who treat music like stock investments.

I have said and will say again; stop buying from scalpers and speculators. You are funding these guys to bend you over in the future. As long as you line up to give them money, they will take it.

I, and I am sure others, will gladly make you a CD-R copy of any sold-out limited edition for nothing, zero, nada. You can have the music and you can stop funding these guys so they will move on to someone else's hobby.


What a beautiful sentiment. Music to my ears!

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)


It seems to have been a result of a festering amount of resentment for having missed out on something.


If that's what you think, then I don't think you actually read the thread, Ron. smile


Oh, it wasn't said in so many words. But I keep reading about "problem" and "buying frenzy".

I'm not aware that Lukas Kendall or Doug Fake or Robert Townson consider themselves to be faced with any kind of problems at all.

I'm also very curious about the ideas expressed about needing to "attract new fans" or that "new fans" are being turned off by an "elitist few."

We, as a group, do not proselytize. I've never known anyone who did, and I doubt most of us would ever want to actively recruit people to become film music fans, especially given the silliness we've all faced when we've explained why that rack of 2,000 CDs is ALL soundtracks.

The stares -- blank and disbelieving -- are priceless.

Folks who love film music will love film music regardless of whether they can buy a title before it's sold out.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

It's not simply a matter of pressing a number on the Ronco CD Press-O-Matic.

smile hehe. good ole Ronco.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

The stares -- blank and disbelieving -- are priceless.

No kidding. Seriously, I don't think most film score fans are elitist, there are just very few of us. Perhaps 10-15 thousand worldwide would be my guess. Perhaps less.

You fall into this hobby the same way I did: you're sitting in a movie theater and think, "My goodness, that's a really great piece of music in that scene. I'd like to hear it again." And you're off and running.

Billions of people all over the world go to the movies and you really can't spread the word any more effectively than that.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)

This should be a fun hobby.


Well...IT'S NOT!!!
RUN! Run for your life while you
still have your sanity!

Den

 
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