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 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

STANDING (left to right)
1.
2. Leith Stevens (?)
3.
4. John Green
5.
6. Miklos Rozsa
7. Victor Young (?)


The fellow with the mustache and glasses is John Green? The man to the immediate left of Rozsa looks more like Green. (I'm counting the uniformed fellow as #3.)

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

The fellow standing third from the left, is he in a Salvation Army uniform?

Yep, definitely a Salavation Army uniform from that era. Maybe he was the composer/arranger emeritus for the plethora of Salvation Army bands.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

Is Bernard Herrmann sitting 5 from the left?


Nah, not Benny, he isn't yelling.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

Mysteries solved, from Bruce Broughton's FB page:

"To save you all time, here's the photo line-up: Seated L to R: Franz Waxman, Dimitri Tiomkin, Meredith Willson, Bramwell Coles, Earl Lawrence, Wm. Grant Still. Standing L to R: Abe Meyer, Leith Stevens, Wm. Broughton, Anthony Collins, John Green, Miklos Rosza, Victor Young, Werner Heymann, Leo Shuken, Arthur Bergh, Alex Steinert, Robert Emmett Dolan, Frank Skinner, Wilbur Hatch, Carlos Morales, Louis R. Lipstone

The reason for the photo: Meredith Willson was an admirer of the Salvation Army and its music. Bramwell Coles (pictured) ran the SA's International Music Dept in London; my grandfather ran the one on the west coast. On a visit to LA, Willson organized a lunch at the Friar's Club to honor Coles, inviting all the composers. So we can thank the Music Man for this only photo of these composers together."

So his grandfather is the gentleman standing in the Salvation Army uniform.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

First photo I've even seen of Leo Shuken.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Interesting to try to sort out who is who here....

I believe Rozsa stands in front of the black portrait.

William Grant Still would be the only African-American, so that is him on the right arm of the couch.

On the left arm seems to be Franz Waxman.

Behind Still looks like Alfred Newman a little, but I can't be sure.

Thanks for bringing this to us, Mark.



Not Newman. He is not in the picture.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....Just in from Bruce Broughton's FB page:

"To save you all time, here's the photo line-up: Seated L to R: Franz Waxman, Dimitri Tiomkin, Meredith Willson, Bramwell Coles, Earl Lawrence, Wm. Grant Still. Standing L to R: Abe Meyer, Leith Stevens, Wm. Broughton, Anthony Collins, John Green, Miklos Rosza, Victor Young, Werner Heymann, Leo Shuken, Arthur Bergh, Alex Steinert, Robert Emmett Dolan, Frank Skinner, Wilbur Hatch, Carlos Morales, Louis R. Lipstone".....








This is a fascinating picture.

Mark Ford.....does Broughton give an explanation of the meeting and why they were there?

At first, when I looked at the photo this seemed to be a very eclectic mix of composers/music people.

Then it struck me that this is a meeting of "downtown Hollywood" composers. Other than Johnny Green, who was everywhere in the mid-40s, there is no obvious representation of MGM in Culver City. There is also no obvious representation of Fox in Beverly Hills.

What we have here seems to be music people working in 1946 at studios located in the heart of Hollywood---from Paramount (including Young, Shuken, Rozsa, Dolan, Lipstone) .....RKO, next door (Collins, Stevens, Tiomkin---probably working on IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE).....Goldwyn/United Artists (Heymann), about a mile away.....and Universal (Rozsa, Stevens, Skinner), just over the hill.....as well as the radio networks nearby, CBS Radio Square, at Sunset and Gower---and NBC Radio City, at Sunset and Vine (Hatch, Willson). Waxman would have been at Warners---also over the Hollywood Hills, and probably met up with Frank Skinner at Universal and drove him over. smile

I wonder if the composers had lent their names/services to a radio broadcast honoring/raising money for The Salvation Army.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   Uwe Sperlich   (Member)

Is Bernard Herrmann sitting 5 from the left?

No, I don't think it is Bernard Herrmann...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

I'm surprised that Miklos Rozsa is standing next to Victor Young, since he called his music "Broadway cum Rachmaninov".

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

Manderley, I added Broughton's explanation about the origin of the photo somewhat after to the second post of the picture so you might have missed it. Here it is again:

"The reason for the photo: Meredith Willson was an admirer of the Salvation Army and its music. Bramwell Coles (pictured) ran the SA's International Music Dept in London; my grandfather ran the one on the west coast. On a visit to LA, Willson organized a lunch at the Friar's Club to honor Coles, inviting all the composers. So we can thank the Music Man for this only photo of these composers together."

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Rozsa admired Victor Young's enormous melodic gifts and warm personality. If he had any grudge among this group, it would be for Paramount's music director Louis Lipstone, who famously thought Rozsa's Double Indemnity belonged in Carnegie Hall.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

Rozsa admired Victor Young's enormous melodic gifts and warm personality. If he had any grudge among this group, it would be for Paramount's music director Louis Lipstone, who famously thought Rozsa's Double Indemnity belonged in Carnegie Hall.



Well, he wasn't exactly keen on Tiomkin either - not caring for his music, or his "methods"...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 6:17 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Wonder if Benny Herrmann is buried in the couch and they are all sitting on him?


After he probably insulted them, for one reason or another.


If the photo had sound, you could probably hear him muttering, "Let me out of here you bastids!"

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 6:24 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Ray, say it fast enough and just right enough:

Who's Erdody!?!


Leo Erdody - Composer, Musical Director and Orchestra leader. Wrote scores for PRC, including BLUEBEARD.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 6:44 PM   
 By:   Essankay   (Member)

Leo Erdody - Composer, Musical Director and Orchestra leader. Wrote scores for PRC, including BLUEBEARD.


And DETOUR!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

I'm surprised that Miklos Rozsa is standing next to Victor Young, since he called his music "Broadway cum Rachmaninov".

This remark is from Rozsa's autobiography "A Double Life".

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2010 - 11:02 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Rozsa admired Victor Young's enormous melodic gifts and warm personality. If he had any grudge among this group, it would be for Paramount's music director Louis Lipstone, who famously thought Rozsa's Double Indemnity belonged in Carnegie Hall.



Well, he wasn't exactly keen on Tiomkin either - not caring for his music, or his "methods"...


I have an audio tape with Rozsa saying that he never said he disliked Tiomkin's music. He does indeed say he didn't care for his methods - presumably Tiomkin's penchant for self-publicity. He went on to say that he considered Tiomkin a giant among modern film composers - this was sometime in the '70s.

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2010 - 1:39 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

STANDING (left to right)
1.
2. Leith Stevens (?)
3.
4. John Green
5.
6. Miklos Rozsa
7. Victor Young (?)


The fellow with the mustache and glasses is John Green? The man to the immediate left of Rozsa looks more like Green. (I'm counting the uniformed fellow as #3.)


Mea culpa! I've not counted the "uniformed fellow" in the front row.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2010 - 1:54 AM   
 By:   jim662   (Member)

Bruce also described his grandfather's role in the Salvation Army as follows:

He was a composer/conductor and educator.

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2010 - 2:54 AM   
 By:   The Cat   (Member)

If he had any grudge among this group, it would be for Paramount's music director Louis Lipstone, who famously thought Rozsa's Double Indemnity belonged in Carnegie Hall.

But as a true gentleman, he never names Lipstone in the book. He is only referred to as "Paramount's Head of Music". On the flipside, he did namecheck Milton Schwarzwald from Universal, since he didn't bring any trouble.

 
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