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 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   JimZipCode   (Member)

Anyway, count me in for a revised Music of Star Trek book.

Or even an expanded Music of TOS ebook, with material from Steiner's interviews + expanded analysis of each of the scores + some background on the process of composing for TV. I'd spend 10 or 20 bux on that, easy. I bet a lot of other people would too.

By "background", I mean info about how those guys worked. Did they get a "composer's bible" from the producers, the way there was a screenwriting bible for the show? How much time did they have to turn around the work? How many other shows would they be doing more or less simultaneously? About how much would they typically be paid? How many shows would you have to do a year, to make a living at it? How much did they collaborate? How much did they re-use material between shows? Stuff like that. I assume the TOS composers were pretty typical of TV composers in that era, in terms of work environment. Just an outline of what that was typically like, would add a lot of context.

I'll preorder now, if you like.
:-)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Who cares about "copyright", the studio wants them respected as internal property

Well if they aren't copyrighted, then there's a term for that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyfraud

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   JimZipCode   (Member)

Well if they aren't copyrighted, then there's a term for that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyfraud

No, that's not an appropriate characterization at all. These cue sheets have never ever been in the public domain. It's not like they were ever published and distributed; they were always internal working documents. The studio shared them with Bond, and he got permission to copy info from some and put that in his book; but the originals have never been in the public eye.

Companies own lots of intellectual property that isn't "copyrighted", because it's never been public. At my work we have written procedures for how we do certain tasks; or records of work that was done and copies of programs that were written. These are not "copyrighted" because they are never public. But they are still property of the company. These cue sheets are the same.

All this talk of copyright and copyfraud is way off base and unjustified. Let's not try to assert rights (that we don't have) to strongarm the company into releasing something it doesn't want to. More productive to work with them. If they don't want the sheets reproduced, but are willing to let info from them be transcribed and shared, well that's awesome. Let's roll up our sleeves and get to work.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Obviously the sheets themselves are the property of the company. The question is if the INFO contained on said sheets is. Obviously there has to be access to them in the first place.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   JimZipCode   (Member)

Obviously the sheets themselves are the property of the company. The question is if the INFO contained on said sheets is.

There is no question. Of course the info on them is. I'm bewildered why you might think it wouldn't be.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Are you bewitched and bothered as well?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2013 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   JimZipCode   (Member)

Are you bewitched and bothered as well?

And bedazzled too!

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2013 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

we can talk about putting out another edition in a few years

I'm patient, I'll wait

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2013 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I was only able to include the cue sheet info in the original book because I retyped each of the sheets represented. If any of you want to volunteer to retype all 80 (and correct all their inaccuracies) we can talk about putting out another edition in a few years when you're done. smile

Since I'm a little thick...are you just joking here Jeff or is another edition of your book actually a possibility? You seem like you're in a better position than ever for it to be definitive...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Does anyone recall how much this book was upon release?

I'm also wondering if there's any news on an updated version before I start making attempts to track down a copy.

I live in a city with a college, two universities, and several libraries and none have a copy of this one.

Just noticed that they have a copy in Toronto, in the reference library. Might have to drop by next time I'm in that city!
https://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/detail.jsp?Entt=RDM2736451&R=2736451

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Does anyone recall how much this book was upon release?

I'm also wondering if there's any news on an updated version before I start making attempts to track down a copy.

I live in a city with a college, two universities, and several libraries and none have a copy of this one.

Just noticed that they have a copy in Toronto, in the reference library. Might have to drop by next time I'm in that city!
https://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/detail.jsp?Entt=RDM2736451&R=2736451


Saw this image on twitter, never seen the book but looks like it has some heft to it. big grin

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Dammit. The topic should be a question.

Unless you know something Jeff hasn't told us?

Good book by the way. I'd say great, but a lot has been discovered since then. Nearly great. Certainly no fault of the author!

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


I would love a revised edition of this...but Jeff is in such demand now as a writer, we'd have to find publisher to pay for it to justify his taking the time.

For whatever it's worth—I know I have all the digital word files for the first edition safe and sound!

Lukas

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I would love a revised edition of this...but Jeff is in such demand now as a writer, we'd have to find publisher to pay for it to justify his taking the time.

Dammit. This is why we didn't get James Horner for Star Trek VI!

(Don't throw things, I love Star Trek VI.)

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 8:13 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

The way I remember it, Jeff Bond said at some point that, taking into account the months he spent working on the book, and the money he eventually made on it, he would have done better financially by working at McDonald's. Meaning: it's a miracle we got even one edition of this great book. And I say that as someone who bought two copies when it first came out, one as a gift.

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 8:16 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


The work for the book came in handy for Jeff when he wrote liner notes to practically every Trek movie and series!

Lukas

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 8:18 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

The work for the book came in handy for Jeff when he wrote liner notes to practically every Trek movie and series!

Lukas



I never thought of it that way. It was a big investment that got him some later jobs.

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Well if they aren't copyrighted, then there's a term for that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyfraud

No, that's not an appropriate characterization at all. These cue sheets have never ever been in the public domain. It's not like they were ever published and distributed; they were always internal working documents. The studio shared them with Bond, and he got permission to copy info from some and put that in his book; but the originals have never been in the public eye.

Companies own lots of intellectual property that isn't "copyrighted", because it's never been public. At my work we have written procedures for how we do certain tasks; or records of work that was done and copies of programs that were written. These are not "copyrighted" because they are never public. But they are still property of the company. These cue sheets are the same.

All this talk of copyright and copyfraud is way off base and unjustified. Let's not try to assert rights (that we don't have) to strongarm the company into releasing something it doesn't want to. More productive to work with them. If they don't want the sheets reproduced, but are willing to let info from them be transcribed and shared, well that's awesome. Let's roll up our sleeves and get to work.


Something is copyrighted the moment it is created. You don't even have to register a copyright with the federal government. Registering a copyright is advisable because it adds further protection in case of a dispute. It has nothing to do with when or if something is made "public". The only thing you can't claim copyright to is an "idea".

 
 Posted:   May 9, 2018 - 9:41 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

The Solium Jurisprudence

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2018 - 6:29 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

If anyone else is looking for this at a reasonable price, I just got an excellent copy - the seller still has one more left. Here's the link, and a shot of my copy. The copy is an ex-library book which has been culled, the copy I got was pulled from the Chicago Music and Performing Arts Library.



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