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 Posted:   Mar 6, 2019 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Really hoped we would find that the early version of "The Trip to Earth" was recorded. It's a stunning composition, but it's now clear that it wasn't. The alternate "B" version of "Baby Lifts Lorry" made it to the stage but wasn't recorded. It used the Personal theme rather than the Fanfare. No other alternates at all; we now have everything. I'm happy enough with the "Fortress" find. One of the things that's great about it is that it's the only alternate or unused music we have that wasn't repurposed by Ken Thorne for the sequels. It was surreal to actually hear it for the first time.

The alternate "Fortress of Solitude" cue is fascinating and marvelous -it's interesting how it's much more heraldic, so much more brass-centric than the final version. Plus, the fact that it's built off of a small phrase heard only once before on a clarinet in that opening "Krypton" cue.

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2019 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   CCW1970   (Member)

Fully supportive, thrilled the tapes were found

If he only would be thrilled about a release of Sugarland Express! I recently watched the movie again and the score is wonderful as usual.


I believe eventually he will concede. I'm not giving up on it. The music is in fine shape.


Fingers crossed, prayers made, sacrifices to the film score geek gods made.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2019 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   David Charles   (Member)

This has probably been asked several times but I would like to know. I have the 'blue box' but there have been such a number of good reviews of this new recording is it worth buying it? I know it has been 'restored' but is the difference all that noticeable?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2019 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   BrendonKelly   (Member)

This has probably been asked several times but I would like to know. I have the 'blue box' but there have been such a number of good reviews of this new recording is it worth buying it? I know it has been 'restored' but is the difference all that noticeable?

I am still waiting for mine to be posted by Intrada. But with all this excitement I did a comparison of the sample of the main title and the FSM release. Both are fine but the detail in the new version is amazing. Can’t wait to get it!

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2019 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

This has probably been asked several times but I would like to know. I have the 'blue box' but there have been such a number of good reviews of this new recording is it worth buying it? I know it has been 'restored' but is the difference all that noticeable?

I'd say that it's as much of a step from BB to this as Rhino to BB was. I think the horns sound noticeably better.

I'm sure if you had to live with the Box you'd still be very happy.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2019 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   erepel   (Member)

This has probably been asked several times but I would like to know. I have the 'blue box' but there have been such a number of good reviews of this new recording is it worth buying it? I know it has been 'restored' but is the difference all that noticeable?

From a purchaser of every format and iteration dating back to December 1978 .... YES to both questions.

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2019 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

Lalaland Employee3 has shipped my copy today. Thanks Employee3!

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2019 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   GreatGonzo   (Member)

This is an absolutely stunning release, a total revelation.
The clarity is outstanding. Never thought this score could sound so good.

Get it while you can!

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2019 - 6:30 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Finally got to order this and Archer. Also grabbed Sender for $3! Can’t wait to hear this, especially after all these comments.

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2019 - 6:39 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Blue box version never clicked with me in the same way as this new release has so I absolutely suggest upgrading if you are a fan of this score.

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2019 - 6:49 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Blue box version never clicked with me in the same way as this new release has so I absolutely suggest upgrading if you are a fan of this score.

I’d like to hear more about this opinion. Because this one is newer? Because you are a decade older than you were when the last version came out?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2019 - 5:56 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

This is strange. How come SAE and Intrada got their shipment of ARCHER CD's but not the SUPERMAN CD's ?

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2019 - 6:07 AM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

I received SUPERMAN but not ARCHER. Ordered at the same time.

I hope to hear back from LLL soon, as I’m really looking forward to ARCHER.

Order No. 173435.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2019 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   MCurry29   (Member)

How freaking AMAZING is this film score. Damn, the music jumps right into you. What a glorious sound. Huge props to La La Land and Mike Matessino!!!

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2019 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Really hoped we would find that the early version of "The Trip to Earth" was recorded. It's a stunning composition, but it's now clear that it wasn't. The alternate "B" version of "Baby Lifts Lorry" made it to the stage but wasn't recorded.

I'm curious about this stuff, because I never knew these things existed, such as they do. (Are they mentioned in the Blue Box liner notes? I haven't pulled those out in a while. I know they're not in the LLL notes.)

How does an early version get rejected (or at least ignored) before anybody hears it? Your "stunning composition" comment seems to suggest it was fully orchestrated, but maybe I'm reading too much into that. Would it be Williams who was unsatisfied and decided to go a different way? Or would he have played it for Donner on piano? And how does a piece get to the stage without being recorded? Would it be a case of Donner hearing what was recorded and saying "Don't change a thing"?

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2019 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

When I was a freshman in college (not so recently, now!), my roommate was from a very small town and he had a chip on his shoulder about people he thought were pretending they were better than he was. More than once, he came back to the room to hear me listening to classical music and threatened to kick my ass if I ever did that again, apparently feeling threatened that I was presumably listening to it only to rub it in his face that I considered him uncultured. He was that kind of guy. If it wasn't rock – and not just any rock, it had to be something like Van Halen – it was an affectation.

The one and only exception he ever made that entire (long) year was the theme from "Superman." When he heard that, he said "This is so frickin' cool!"

So "Superman" is the great uniter!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2019 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   maurizio.caschetto   (Member)

Really hoped we would find that the early version of "The Trip to Earth" was recorded. It's a stunning composition, but it's now clear that it wasn't. The alternate "B" version of "Baby Lifts Lorry" made it to the stage but wasn't recorded.

I'm curious about this stuff, because I never knew these things existed, such as they do. (Are they mentioned in the Blue Box liner notes? I haven't pulled those out in a while. I know they're not in the LLL notes.)

How does an early version get rejected (or at least ignored) before anybody hears it? Your "stunning composition" comment seems to suggest it was fully orchestrated, but maybe I'm reading too much into that. Would it be Williams who was unsatisfied and decided to go a different way? Or would he have played it for Donner on piano? And how does a piece get to the stage without being recorded? Would it be a case of Donner hearing what was recorded and saying "Don't change a thing"?



Yes, the Blue Box liner notes mention the "Trip to Earth" alternate this way:

"Williams wrote (but never recorded) an alternate of this cue (running 1:16, titled 'To Earth' on the manuscript) that would have cast the spacecraft more overtly as a divine gift from the heavens"

Given the running time indication, it would seem Williams originally scored a shorter version of the sequence (much likely without most of the finished visual fx), so it appears the original cue wouldn't fit anymore when he was given the new sequence.

I guess (but this is pure speculation on my part) that JW took the occasion to use a different musical approach, as the cue as we know it doesn't have any of that overt heavenly sound the description suggests, but it's a much more impressionistic, almost Debussy-like setpiece (it always reminded me of "La Mer").

We know how much JW is keen to revise/rewrite/rethink his own music if given the chance, so perhaps this was one of those rare luxury occasions when he was given time and space to do so.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2019 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   alexp   (Member)

When I was a freshman in college (not so recently, now!), my roommate was from a very small town and he had a chip on his shoulder about people he thought were pretending they were better than he was. More than once, he came back to the room to hear me listening to classical music and threatened to kick my ass if I ever did that again, apparently feeling threatened that I was presumably listening to it only to rub it in his face that I considered him uncultured. He was that kind of guy. If it wasn't rock – and not just any rock, it had to be something like Van Halen – it was an affectation.

The one and only exception he ever made that entire (long) year was the theme from "Superman." When he heard that, he said "This is so frickin' cool!"

So "Superman" is the great uniter!


That is a great story, SchiffyM.

When you played that “Superman” march to the roommate, did he recognize the music right-away, or did you had to tell him? Please, tell us how did that moment played-out

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2019 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Given the running time indication, it would seem Williams originally scored a shorter version of the sequence (much likely without most of the finished visual fx), so it appears the original cue wouldn't fit anymore when he was given the new sequence.

Oh yes, this makes sense. I should have thought of that!

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2019 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

When I was a freshman in college (not so recently, now!), my roommate was from a very small town and he had a chip on his shoulder about people he thought were pretending they were better than he was. More than once, he came back to the room to hear me listening to classical music and threatened to kick my ass if I ever did that again, apparently feeling threatened that I was presumably listening to it only to rub it in his face that I considered him uncultured. He was that kind of guy. If it wasn't rock – and not just any rock, it had to be something like Van Halen – it was an affectation.

The one and only exception he ever made that entire (long) year was the theme from "Superman." When he heard that, he said "This is so frickin' cool!"

So "Superman" is the great uniter!


That is a great story, SchiffyM.

When you played that “Superman” march to the roommate, did he recognize the music right-away, or did you had to tell him? Please, tell us how did that moment played-out


It was just playing when he walked into the room, but he recognized it right away and started pretending he was flying, complete with “whooshing” sound effects!

 
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