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 Posted:   Jun 23, 2020 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Well, I got the original release as well as the previous Intrada release, so I definitely see not need to re-buy this again one way or the other. :-)

But good to see it back in print.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2020 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

I guess the only thing I'm bummed out about is that I won't be able to hear what the original release sounded like so I could decide for myself on which release I think is better.

You can still listen to the audio samples on the original expansion's product page.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

Just received mine today! Woo Hoo!

Question... are the audio levels / EQ that were updated on this release for the entire program (Original Film Soundtrack AND 1991 Soundtrack Album) or was only CD1 (and two tracks from CD2) updated and the 1991 Soundtrack Album remains the same as the 2016 version?

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

Just received mine today! Woo Hoo!

Question... are the audio levels / EQ that were updated on this release for the entire program (Original Film Soundtrack AND 1991 Soundtrack Album) or was only CD1 (and two tracks from CD2) updated and the 1991 Soundtrack Album remains the same as the 2016 version?


I'm pretty sure they only adjusted the complete score. The 1991 album should be the same as the 2016.

How does the new re-mastering sound, by the way?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   iliveforhim1976   (Member)

IT IS BACK IN STOCK AS OF RIGHT NOW!!!

Get it before it's GONE!!!

http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.12205/.f?sc=16&category=22845

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 5:40 PM   
 By:   Replicant006   (Member)

This is on its way to me. Glad to finally get my hands on it. The long wait on this one has prompted me to move a little more quickly on other purchases that I otherwise would have waited on a bit.

I can't remember, how long has this been out of stock (if you can call it the same stock with a slight remastering)?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   scottweberpdx   (Member)

Listening now...I don't know what the first edition sounded like...but this sounds good...the "complete" score is on the "quiet" side (I definitely have to turn the volume up more than typical for a score of this type). Still...the dynamic range seems reasonable...and the sound quality is wonderful. It's been a while since I listened to this score all the way through (let alone complete and then original back to back)...and I'd forgotten just HOW good it was! There really is a "magical" sound to it (and so many Horner scores)...it's just glows...it's just so pure and free of irony...totally sincere and ebullient.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 7:03 PM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Listening now...I don't know what the first edition sounded like...but this sounds good...the "complete" score is on the "quiet" side (I definitely have to turn the volume up more than typical for a score of this type). Still...the dynamic range seems reasonable...and the sound quality is wonderful. It's been a while since I listened to this score all the way through (let alone complete and then original back to back)...and I'd forgotten just HOW good it was! There really is a "magical" sound to it (and so many Horner scores)...it's just glows...it's just so pure and free of irony...totally sincere and ebullient.

If it is still on the quiet side then damn just wasted $35 for the double dip.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Just received mine today! Woo Hoo!

Question... are the audio levels / EQ that were updated on this release for the entire program (Original Film Soundtrack AND 1991 Soundtrack Album) or was only CD1 (and two tracks from CD2) updated and the 1991 Soundtrack Album remains the same as the 2016 version?


I asked Doug Fake the same question. The answer is that only the complete score presentation has been remastered. OST was not required to be charged since its the same as per Shawn Murphys original mix.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 9:19 PM   
 By:   General Kael   (Member)

Listening now...I don't know what the first edition sounded like...but this sounds good...the "complete" score is on the "quiet" side (I definitely have to turn the volume up more than typical for a score of this type). Still...the dynamic range seems reasonable...and the sound quality is wonderful. It's been a while since I listened to this score all the way through (let alone complete and then original back to back)...and I'd forgotten just HOW good it was! There really is a "magical" sound to it (and so many Horner scores)...it's just glows...it's just so pure and free of irony...totally sincere and ebullient.

I don't understand. Intrada's first releas was too quiet. This one is too? How can that be, this is exactly why they redid it. Are you sure you are reviewing the recemt re-release?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 4:36 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

Waiting on my copy. I compared the sound clips from both versions on Intrada's site. The new one sounds. a bit louder.

If I recall, the original album has all the bombastic highlights. The expanded tracks are the quieter, less bombastic cues.

Also, Horner albums were criticized for this very issue back in the 90's, particularly during his streak of 70 min, SONY albums.

In short, if the album produced in 91 had all the quieter cues, would there have been greater contrast then as it is now?

Either way, we should all breath, relax and wait for more to be revealed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Theoretically the end title, let's say, should sound exactly the same between the two presentations. On the first release there was a marked difference between the end of the film presentation and the opening of the album. Perhaps it would have been less obvious had the two presentations been cleanly split onto separate discs.

If the film presentation is still quieter I will be disappointed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

Just received mine today! Woo Hoo!

Question... are the audio levels / EQ that were updated on this release for the entire program (Original Film Soundtrack AND 1991 Soundtrack Album) or was only CD1 (and two tracks from CD2) updated and the 1991 Soundtrack Album remains the same as the 2016 version?


I asked Doug Fake the same question. The answer is that only the complete score presentation has been remastered. OST was not required to be charged since its the same as per Shawn Murphys original mix.


The "original film soundtrack" presentation on the first Intrada edition used Shawn Murphy's own levels and EQ decisions for the film. He just used compression and a brighter mastering for the "soundtrack album" released at the time, which was sourced from the "original film soundtrack" stereo tapes.

There's no different mixes, both are the same, in the first and the second "remastered" edition, the latter which doesn't retain Shawn Murphy's levels and EQ for the film, but tries to mimic what he did for the album.

Only the first edition fully retains the work and decisions made by Shawn Murphy.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   scottweberpdx   (Member)

I hope I didn't contribute to confusion on this...I think this edition sounds great...it's just not "Loud". I went back and tried to compare the one track where I should be able to tell if there's a huge difference..."The Zeppelin". On the original score cd (from 1991) and the newly remastered complete album...there is almost no difference in loudness. My biggest concern (which is what I'm assuming happened to the original "complete" cd from Intrada) is when the levels are SO wide that the quietest passages are so quiet that you have to turn up the volume, only to have the loudest passages be too loud...so you are constantly adjusting the volume (like the LOTR complete editions). This edition, while "quiet", has a good dynamic range, on par with the original album cd (again...to my ears on less-than-audiophile equipment). It only calls attention to the lower volume when I switch to something like Hot To Train Your Dragon...which immediately, at the same volume, just seems MUCH louder. As some mentioned, there are a lot of scores (Horner, in particular) where they are just mixed this way...I remember being frustrated by several original score cds back in the day for this reason.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

From what I read here, Douglass Fake may have sent the older CD master to the manufacturing plant... big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

From what I read here, Douglass Fake may have sent the older CD master to the manufacturing plant... big grin

Please don’t spread false information. It has a real impact on our business.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

From what I read here, Douglass Fake may have sent the older CD master to the manufacturing plant... big grin

Please don’t spread false information. It has a real impact on our business.


It was clearly a joke, not a false information.

If I may, you should better tell your customers why your new remastered edition doesn't sound like the original album, or if it sounds the same as stated in the announcement you can also reassure them.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

From what I read here, Douglass Fake may have sent the older CD master to the manufacturing plant... big grin

Please don’t spread false information. It has a real impact on our business.


It was clearly a joke, not a false information.

If I may, you should better tell your customers why your new remastered edition doesn't sound like the original album, or if it sounds the same as stated in the announcement you can also reassure them.


Doubtful. I've seen many people take things that were "clearly" a joke seriously. And we've said all we're going to on this release. We're done with Rocketeer.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

From what I read here, Douglass Fake may have sent the older CD master to the manufacturing plant... big grin

Please don’t spread false information. It has a real impact on our business.


It was clearly a joke, not a false information.

If I may, you should better tell your customers why your new remastered edition doesn't sound like the original album, or if it sounds the same as stated in the announcement you can also reassure them.


Doubtful. I've seen many people take things that were "clearly" a joke seriously. And we've said all we're going to on this release. We're done with Rocketeer.


English is not my mother tongue but "may" + big grin is clearly not an information.

It's not me who says that this new remastered edition is quieter than the original album.

If I understand, these people spread false informations since Intrada retained the original album levels and EQ for the film presentation.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

I bought the original Intrada release, but I actually haven't listened to it yet.
Is the audio level and EQ really a problem or are people just missing the nostagic sound of the original 1991 issue?
I'm willing to buy remastered version if we are talking about something that is larger than a slight nitpick.

I realize that Intrada actually invested in a remaster, so perhaps it officially was an "issue".

 
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