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The terminology in Trek II is weird. "Hyperchannel" instead of "subspace." They repeatedly say "spacedock" when the footage is clearly drydock. "Mr. Scott on discrete" is also peculiar.
And stopping the "energizers." What are energizers? Clearly James Doohan isn't tech savvy...his line "I have to take the mains off the line" was probably scripted as "I have to take the mains offline."
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The terminology in Trek II is weird. "Hyperchannel" instead of "subspace." They repeatedly say "spacedock" when the footage is clearly drydock. "Mr. Scott on discrete" is also peculiar.
I just figured "discrete" was a separate, priority channel. Nobody could break in or interrupt. [shrug]
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The terminology in Trek II is weird. "Hyperchannel" instead of "subspace." They repeatedly say "spacedock" when the footage is clearly drydock. "Mr. Scott on discrete" is also peculiar.
And stopping the "energizers." What are energizers? Clearly James Doohan isn't tech savvy...his line "I have to take the mains off the line" was probably scripted as "I have to take the mains offline."
The January 18, 1982 draft (still titled "The Undiscovered Country") has the line as: "Admiral, I've got to take the mains off the line. The energizer's shaken loose and I can't get in there to fix her -- radiation --".
That page is dated 10/26/81. The same line is in the 9/16/81 draft (but "loose" is spelled "losse").
Weird, so the screenwriter didn't quite get it either. And has the term energizers been used in any show before or after?
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And has the term energizers been used in any show before or after?
Not that I'm aware.
Regarding other weird Trek nomenclature in Trek II, Gene Roddenberry questioned the "Nineteen periods" line in the Kobayashi Maru. He also pointed out that "Commpic" was unclear terminology and he didn't know what "Mr. Scott on discrete" meant either.
The energizers’ bypassed like a Christmas Tree so dont give me too many bumps!
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I thought I had read some time ago that "Stop engines" was the scripted and delivered line by Mr. Shatner, and then dialogue was looped "Stop energizers" because of an objection to the line by Mr. Roddenberry.
Yes. I recall reading that Roddenberry said of this, "Starfleet is not the Navy!" And Meyer said "It used to be!" That was probably in Starlog magazine.
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I thought I had read some time ago that "Stop engines" was the scripted and delivered line by Mr. Shatner, and then dialogue was looped "Stop energizers" because of an objection to the line by Mr. Roddenberry.
Yes. I recall reading that Roddenberry said of this, "Starfleet is not the Navy!" And Meyer said "It used to be!" That was probably in Starlog magazine.
Bosun's whistle: TOS.
Navy ranks: TOS
Navy slang: TOS
Naval fanfare when the Enterprise appears (especially Kaplan): TOS
Oh, who that Kirk was inspired by Horatio Hornblower? Um. Roddenberry.
These were hardly Meyer inventions.
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Roddenberry smoked his own press over time. Starfleet was very much a military organization in the original series. It was also a political and diplomatic operation. A combined service, as Kirk said once. But they practiced Naval traditions and conducted wargames.
Later, Roddenberry reimaged it as more like Jacques Cousteau's group but really that didn't stick after he died.
He just didn't like that his version of Star Trek in films was rejected by the studio and that Meyer went back to more historical naval terminology. Roddenberry had one eye in the past and the other in the future, but Meyer had both eyes in the past. It got worse in Star Trek 6. "Right standard rudder" was laughable.
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Not to fan the flames of "Horner rips off Goldsmith", but when I was listening to the end titles of TWOK the other day I was struck by how Horner follows the same -- I don't know the right words: Rhythm? Structure? Instrumentation? of the end titles of The Motion Picture with a totally different melody.
After Ilia's theme / Spock's theme there is a rousing build up to the Main Theme played in a very punchy staccato with snare drum for the first phrase followed by a more relaxed melodic statement of the second phrase without the drum. (The only words I know I have right are "staccato" and "snare drum".) It then repeats until the track returns to a less frantic statement of the main theme.
Both of them are some of my favorite parts of both scores.
It's interesting because of all of Horner's "Goldsmithisms" this is done with a melody that doesn't sound anything like Goldsmith and is one of the definitive Horner tunes.
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