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 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Hi MV, do you know when TITANIC will be back in stock?

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Since henry forgot to ask, MV: Any Conti score(s) coming? Any Conti score(s) planned?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2021 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

One question still haunts me MV:

What is the current status of Oliver Nelson's THE SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN original scores?

Did the master tapes eventually burned in the Universal 2009 terrible fire or not??

May someone clarify the issue?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 2:17 AM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

MV, with one more announcement before Black Friday. Would it please be possible to confirm nearer the time how many titles will be released, whether these will be single CD's or multi discs and the prices. This will allow both myself and others to budget for the announcement. As always thank you.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   BrandonJF72   (Member)

Hi MV! Are you planning to release Volume 5 The X-Files in the future?

Nope. We are done with X Files.

MV


I'm assuming that also applies to a box-less possible re-issue of V2 ? I may have already asked that before, but I can't re-call.... I was close to pulling the trigger on V1,V3,V4, but I have a feeling having that one missing from my shelf will bother me.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

One question still haunts me MV:

What is the current status of Oliver Nelson's THE SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN original scores?

Did the master tapes eventually burned in the Universal 2009 terrible fire or not??

May someone clarify the issue?



The fire at Universal is grossly innaccurate and has been proven over and over again that master tapes for film scores were not lost. Please stop fueling the flames of this narrative

MV

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

MV, with one more announcement before Black Friday. Would it please be possible to confirm nearer the time how many titles will be released, whether these will be single CD's or multi discs and the prices. This will allow both myself and others to budget for the announcement. As always thank you.

Sorry but as I have explained before we will no longer be offering clues hints or info regarding our Black Friday releases due to the unnecessarily rude treatment we have received from people on this board and other boards. Thanks to these people all the fun has been sucked out of this once enjoyable release date. We will make the announcement on Nov 26 and start taking orders on Tuesday Nov 30.

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

The fire at Universal is grossly innaccurate and has been proven over and over again that master tapes for film scores were not lost. Please stop fueling the flames of this narrative

MV


You can therefore say with certainty that not even any Decca soundtrack album masters from the 50s and 60s owned by UMG were lost in that 2008 fire?
If you read an article like this - and there are of course several others -, you get a quite different impression:
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/music/what-did-we-lose-universal-music-fire-blazed-through-archives-n1025556

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

MV, with one more announcement before Black Friday. Would it please be possible to confirm nearer the time how many titles will be released, whether these will be single CD's or multi discs and the prices. This will allow both myself and others to budget for the announcement. As always thank you.

Sorry but as I have explained before we will no longer be offering clues hints or info regarding our Black Friday releases due to the unnecessarily rude treatment we have received from people on this board and other boards. Thanks to these people all the fun has been sucked out of this once enjoyable release date. We will make the announcement on Nov 26 and start taking orders on Tuesday Nov 30.

MV


This is regrettable, as I do enjoy the speculation and guessing personally, but I completely get why you stopped.

I look forward to seeing what miracles you have performed this year.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

I predict there will be CDs for sale!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   Big X   (Member)

Thank you MV. It is really sad there will be no build up to the announcements, oh well, I will still be ready to place my order with the other backdated titles I need to pick up from LLL. Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   King Solium   (Member)

Thank you MV. It is really sad there will be no build up to the announcements, oh well, I will still be ready to place my order with the other backdated titles I need to pick up from LLL. Thanks.

Yeah, kinda sucks but I understand. Honestly I feel La La Land has already had two "Black Friday" releases this year already. I'm sure some of the 2021 titles are delayed projects but they're really hitting it out of the ballpark.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   Cameron007   (Member)

Sorry but as I have explained before we will no longer be offering clues hints or info regarding our Black Friday releases due to the unnecessarily rude treatment we have received from people on this board and other boards. Thanks to these people all the fun has been sucked out of this once enjoyable release date. We will make the announcement on Nov 26 and start taking orders on Tuesday Nov 30.

MV


Honestly, I can't fault you for that. Being disappointed is one thing, but outright bashing your guys' work is crossing the line.

For me, it's simple. If I'm not interested in the score, I don't buy it. But I'm hardly willing to insult a label who is dedicated to their craft, and does it well.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 7:57 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

The fire at Universal is grossly innaccurate and has been proven over and over again that master tapes for film scores were not lost. Please stop fueling the flames of this narrative

MV


You can therefore say with certainty that not even any Decca soundtrack album masters from the 50s and 60s owned by UMG were lost in that 2008 fire?
If you read an article like this - and there are of course several others -, you get a quite different impression:
https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/music/what-did-we-lose-universal-music-fire-blazed-through-archives-n1025556


You don't have your facts correct, so here's the story again.

Universal cut loose its music group in 2004. What we now call UMG has had zero connection to the studio as a business since then. At the time of the separation, record label assets were kept on the Universal lot in a building that was run by NBC. Instead of moving them off in 2004, UMG rented the space to keep them there. Other assets from their family of labels would come and go but it was all to do with the RECORD LABEL and not the studio that had cut it loose. So yes, many record masters and copies of album tapes were lost, and one of the reasons why no one knows exactly what was there -- and why certain things have later appeared -- is because also in that same building were old paper files that said what was where.

Now, in that same building, Universal STUDIOS - not UMG - did keep video masters and prints, and those were lost. BUT no negatives or FILM SCORING MASTERS were kept there. In short, nothing related to original music masters for the STUDIO were in there.

Recent example... Universal Music Group has NO tape master elements for their Somewhere in Time soundtrack album. All they have is the 1630 digital master for the first CD release. BUT, Universal STUDIOS had the 3-track 1/2" film scoring masters, kept elsewhere, along with all of their music assets.

Hope this makes sense and is clear once and for all. The fire had zero impact on any music elements for Universal STUDIOS... only Universal Music Group, which might have included album masters for soundtrack albums, but not the film scoring originals.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 8:42 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)


Universal cut loose its music group in 2004. What we now call UMG has had zero connection to the studio as a business since then. At the time of the separation, record label assets were kept on the Universal lot in a building that was run by NBC. Instead of moving them off in 2004, UMG rented the space to keep them there. Other assets from their family of labels would come and go but it was all to do with the RECORD LABEL and not the studio that had cut it loose. So yes, many record masters and copies of album tapes were lost, and one of the reasons why no one knows exactly what was there -- and why certain things have later appeared -- is because also in that same building were old paper files that said what was where.

Now, in that same building, Universal STUDIOS - not UMG - did keep video masters and prints, and those were lost. BUT no negatives or FILM SCORING MASTERS were kept there. In short, nothing related to original music masters for the STUDIO were in there.

Recent example... Universal Music Group has NO tape master elements for their Somewhere in Time soundtrack album. All they have is the 1630 digital master for the first CD release. BUT, Universal STUDIOS had the 3-track 1/2" film scoring masters, kept elsewhere, along with all of their music assets.

Hope this makes sense and is clear once and for all. The fire had zero impact on any music elements for Universal STUDIOS... only Universal Music Group, which might have included album masters for soundtrack albums, but not the film scoring originals.




Very interesting to read. Thanks for taking time to explain.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   steffromuk   (Member)

You don't have your facts correct, so here's the story again.

Universal cut loose its music group in 2004. What we now call UMG has had zero connection to the studio as a business since then. At the time of the separation, record label assets were kept on the Universal lot in a building that was run by NBC. Instead of moving them off in 2004, UMG rented the space to keep them there. Other assets from their family of labels would come and go but it was all to do with the RECORD LABEL and not the studio that had cut it loose. So yes, many record masters and copies of album tapes were lost, and one of the reasons why no one knows exactly what was there -- and why certain things have later appeared -- is because also in that same building were old paper files that said what was where.

Now, in that same building, Universal STUDIOS - not UMG - did keep video masters and prints, and those were lost. BUT no negatives or FILM SCORING MASTERS were kept there. In short, nothing related to original music masters for the STUDIO were in there.

Recent example... Universal Music Group has NO tape master elements for their Somewhere in Time soundtrack album. All they have is the 1630 digital master for the first CD release. BUT, Universal STUDIOS had the 3-track 1/2" film scoring masters, kept elsewhere, along with all of their music assets.

Hope this makes sense and is clear once and for all. The fire had zero impact on any music elements for Universal STUDIOS... only Universal Music Group, which might have included album masters for soundtrack albums, but not the film scoring originals.


Thanks Mike for this final clarification.
I think maybe this should be on a thread on its own, so anyone who's still in search of the facts, can easily find it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 3:01 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

Thanks, Mike.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 3:04 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

You don't have your facts correct, so here's the story again.

Universal cut loose its music group in 2004. What we now call UMG has had zero connection to the studio as a business since then. At the time of the separation, record label assets were kept on the Universal lot in a building that was run by NBC. Instead of moving them off in 2004, UMG rented the space to keep them there. Other assets from their family of labels would come and go but it was all to do with the RECORD LABEL and not the studio that had cut it loose. So yes, many record masters and copies of album tapes were lost, and one of the reasons why no one knows exactly what was there -- and why certain things have later appeared -- is because also in that same building were old paper files that said what was where.

Now, in that same building, Universal STUDIOS - not UMG - did keep video masters and prints, and those were lost. BUT no negatives or FILM SCORING MASTERS were kept there. In short, nothing related to original music masters for the STUDIO were in there.

Hope this makes sense and is clear once and for all. The fire had zero impact on any music elements for Universal STUDIOS... only Universal Music Group, which might have included album masters for soundtrack albums, but not the film scoring originals.


Thanks for all your explanations, Mike. So it is just the way as I had expected it.
Maybe you had slightly misunderstood me when I asked my question about Decca/UMG. It was fully clear to me that Universal and UMG are/were two completely different companies which business-wise are not connected. And of course I also knew that no film scoring masters owned by Univeral Studios themselves were destroyed in that fire.
As far as I have always understood it during the last years, only album masters for soundtrack albums owned by UMG (apparently above all those for their old Decca record albums) which were stored in that building seem to have been destroyed. Therefore you have now confirmed just what I had meant when I asked my question.
There was certainly a good reason why for example Disques Cinémusique in Canada ripped off so many of those 50s Decca LP albums about 10 years ago. I suppose that most of them won´t even get an official US CD release anymore if the album masters are indeed lost.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Since henry forgot to ask, MV: Any Conti score(s) coming? Any Conti score(s) planned?

Yeah, any upcoming Conti?smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   JThree   (Member)

Mger be offering clues hints or info regarding our Black Friday releases due to the unnecessarily rude treatment we have received from people on this board and other boards. Thanks to these people all the fun has been sucked out of this once enjoyable release date. We will make the announcement on Nov 26 and start taking orders on Tuesday Nov 30.

MV


This is regrettable, as I do enjoy the speculation and guessing personally, but I completely get why you stopped.

I look forward to seeing what miracles you have performed this year.


Can somebody give us an example of the rude behavior that caused such a reaction? That's so the wisest of us, can learn to stop such behavior?

--jthree

 
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