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 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 2:38 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I pretty much ripped through this series (2) in the past week.
I watched the first 4 eps in about 24 hours, then finished the last 4 over a few days.
Despite some flaws and issues, I still think there's so much more to enjoy, than to hate.
As noted pretty much everywhere, the production values and music are top-notch and a big reason why I enjoy it and return to it.
The acting can be a bit...aloof/pompous and stilted, together with the script, but I suppose that's in keeping with the way Tolkien wrote it and the places/times it projects.
I was a bit shocked by some of the violence in this series.
It seemed a bit OTT at times, when compared to S1 and felt more like trying to keep up with GAME OF THRONES style gore/bloodletting (obviously this show doesn't have the sadistic sexual violence the GRR Martin show wallowed in).
I'm not sure I enjoyed this series as much as S1, but it was close enough, level-wise, for me to still have a really good time.
AND THE MUSIC!!!
WOW!!!
Up there with the best we are hearing these days and on a level with the GRAND stuff of olde.
I really hope they repeat the CD release pattern of the first series.

One thing that bugged me...
SPOILER!!! (I thought I saw Arondir get killed in ep7 only for him to be leaping about in ep8...I don't quite get the whole Elf immortal thing. Bear in mind I'm a casual fan...never read the books...enjoyed the first 3 Jackson films...hated the HOBBIT ones).

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 2:56 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Definetly better than Season 1.
I still dont like some of the faces ( especially Elrond and Telebrimbor)...but thats OK.

There´s one ( funny) thing I never quite get when looking at the world and timespan of MiddleEarth.
And that´s the fact, that, for thousands of years ,they are stuck in the middle ages without any evolution in fashion and inventions...so how damn stupid are all those folks from middleearthsmile

´

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 3:49 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Another thing that seemed a bit more pronounced in this series was the OTT pronunciations, whenever a character mentioned a certain name or place.
The amount of times I tittered when someone would say 'MORRRRDORRRRR' or 'CELEBRIMMBORRRRRRRR' etc

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I suppose another thing that hampers this show - it being a prequel series - is the lack of danger many characters exist within, since we know their characters survived in the future tales that have been told.
They may as well just stick any disposable 'new characters' in a red shirt wink

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I have no interest in seeing it & don't get the TV channel that shows it anyway, but I've been really enjoying those critical YouTube videos giving the series a good bashing, very entertaining (& the last one I watched said the music was a tuneless mess).

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   keky   (Member)

I have no interest in seeing it & don't get the TV channel that shows it anyway, but I've been really enjoying those critical YouTube videos giving the series a good bashing, very entertaining (& the last one I watched said the music was a tuneless mess).

Tuneless mess??? The reviewer must have been watching a different series. One doesn't have to love the show to enjoy the fantastic music of McCreary. It's definitely among the best scores of the 2020s with a miriad of themes, all of them melodic and memorable.

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I don't quite get why people want to hear Howard Shore's old themes in this new prequel/telling.

For characters, places and phenomena that appear both places -- why not?


I don't want to soil the greatness of the movies with this gawd awful drivel.

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

(& the last one I watched said the music was a tuneless mess).

And that would be OBJECTIVELY wrong!!!!

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

After Yavar went on how great the music was I listened to the first season soundtrack and found it a very generic facsimile of the real deal. Comes across as "trailer music".

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

Yavar is right!

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

If the music from this series is being judged as a 'tuneless mess', there is no hope.
Fortunately, that quote sounds like click bait from those ten-a-penny internet reviewers who need hysteria to survive and thrive.
Thankfully, Bear's music is being heralded in most havens of sanity.

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 9:42 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Yavar is right!

-Erik-


Well I thought it was "Meh". Different strokes for different folks.

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

Thankfully, Bear's music is being heralded in most havens of sanity.

^THIS!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

(& the last one I watched said the music was a tuneless mess).

And that would be OBJECTIVELY wrong!!!!

-Erik-


Ha, no, it's all subjective (like everyone's opinions here). If I heard it, I might well like it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

Ha, no, it's all subjective (like everyone's opinions here). If I heard it, I might well like it.

Ha ha, no. Describing this score as a "tuneless mess" is objectively incorrect. You may not like the score, which IS a subjective opinion, but claiming that McCreary's score is "tuneless" is objectively false!

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I think I described it as "video game" music. I managed to offend both video game music fans and ROP music fans. But its just a descriptor of the styling which I don't find engaging or lasting. That's not to say there isn't some amazing video game music like Lair, but this is no Lair.

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

I think I described it as "video game" music.

What does that mean? Video game music is just as diverse, creative, and interesting as film and television music... perhaps even more so these days. So, if you intended it as a "shot" at McCreary's music, you failed.

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I think I described it as "video game" music.

What does that mean? Video game music is just as diverse, creative, and interesting as film and television music... perhaps even more so these days. So, if you intended it as a "shot" at McCreary's music, you failed.

-Erik-


It's good on the surface but meanders, there's no meat to the bones. The writing isn't as well structured as something Shore, Williams, Goldsmith, or Horner could write. (Pick any legendary composer) Hell, Randy Edelman can write better synth music. Sorry if that offends you but I stand by my opinion regardless if you think I'm taking a "shot" at the composer.

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

If I had to guess, this sounds like someone judging the score by listening to maybe the first half (or less) of the season 1 album. The first hour or so of that is dominated by the album versions of themes which were not scored to picture. So I could understand someone claiming that those sound like game cues, which often don’t worry about hitting onscreen action the same way that film music does. For those Bear gets to present his main melody, a B section, and a return to the main melody in a way that’s musically wonderful, but might lack the urgency of what people expect from film music since it wasn’t written to picture.

Now if someone were to make that “video game music” claim about the actual episodic score albums, I’d be stumped. Doesn’t sound even remotely like it was scored for a game. (And I say that as someone who loves plenty of game scores, but just realizes that they do in fact often have different compositional parameters than film or TV scores.)

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Oct 7, 2024 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

If I had to guess, this sounds like someone judging the score by listening to maybe the first half (or less) of the season 1 album. The first hour or so of that is dominated by the album versions of themes which were not scored to picture. So I could understand someone claiming that those sound like game cues, which often don’t worry about hitting onscreen action the same way that film music does. For those Bear gets to present his main melody, a B section, and a return to the main melody in a way that’s musically wonderful, but might lack the urgency of what people expect from film music since it wasn’t written to picture.


I guess, but that first half of the season one album is the best part of the album and the bits I repeat over and over and over again! Phenomenal music.

-Erik-

 
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