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Jan 16, 2025 - 7:24 PM
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Thanks for taking the time to respond, it's appreciated. Re. Moonraker, am I right in thinking that the score as it sounds in the film was never meant to sound that way, and instead the new CD release presents it as Barry intended? I may seem hung up on that one cue, but I grew up on it and that very distinctive piano hammering as it is in the film, I was surprised it sounds so different on album. Cheers - Dave
Dave, I don't know how to answer this in a satisfactory way. We know the album mix differs from the film mix for this cue and we know Barry didn't care for how the music sounded in the film. So is the album version what he intended? Maybe. Regardless, when making the new mixes for the CD, it was decided to honor these mixing decisions and Mike did separate versions of this cue, one that emphasized piano for the film and the other that hewed closer to the album.
I hope this answers your question and that you enjoy the album.
Neil
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Jan 17, 2025 - 1:18 AM
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Thanks for taking the time to respond, it's appreciated. Re. Moonraker, am I right in thinking that the score as it sounds in the film was never meant to sound that way, and instead the new CD release presents it as Barry intended? I may seem hung up on that one cue, but I grew up on it and that very distinctive piano hammering as it is in the film, I was surprised it sounds so different on album. Cheers - Dave
Dave, I don't know how to answer this in a satisfactory way. We know the album mix differs from the film mix for this cue and we know Barry didn't care for how the music sounded in the film. So is the album version what he intended? Maybe. Regardless, when making the new mixes for the CD, it was decided to honor these mixing decisions and Mike did separate versions of this cue, one that emphasized piano for the film and the other that hewed closer to the album.
I hope this answers your question and that you enjoy the album.
Neil
Neil
Thanks again for responding; that does indeed answer my question, and thanks for an absolutely sensational album, I love it - cheers!!
Dave
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I may seem hung up on that one cue, but I grew up on it and that very distinctive piano hammering as it is in the film, I was surprised it sounds so different on album. Cheers - Dave
Pardon my laziness, but which track has the distinctive piano hammering?
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Jan 17, 2025 - 2:29 PM
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Lovejoy
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I may seem hung up on that one cue, but I grew up on it and that very distinctive piano hammering as it is in the film, I was surprised it sounds so different on album. Cheers - Dave
Pardon my laziness, but which track has the distinctive piano hammering?
Corrine Put Down. In the film, the percussive counter-melody (as I call it!) is very distinctly audible on piano, with the flute and strings subdued. In the original and now remixed soundtrack releases, the piano is down in the mix and the flute and strings are prominent. To my ears, it's very different; to others, perhaps not. I think I'm focussed on this so much because I grew up on the Moore Bonds, and that piano sound is reminiscent of things like school assemblies and Sunday school, it is a really unique sound to me. Just one of those things that once you hear, you can't unhear it.
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Jan 17, 2025 - 2:43 PM
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Tom Servo
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I may seem hung up on that one cue, but I grew up on it and that very distinctive piano hammering as it is in the film, I was surprised it sounds so different on album. Cheers - Dave
Pardon my laziness, but which track has the distinctive piano hammering?
Corrine Put Down. In the film, the percussive counter-melody (as I call it!) is very distinctly audible on piano, with the flute and strings subdued. In the original and now remixed soundtrack releases, the piano is down in the mix and the flute and strings are prominent. To my ears, it's very different; to others, perhaps not. I think I'm focussed on this so much because I grew up on the Moore Bonds, and that piano sound is reminiscent of things like school assemblies and Sunday school, it is a really unique sound to me. Just one of those things that once you hear, you can't unhear it.
Well, the good news is that the film itself exists and you can enjoy revisiting it whenever you like, if you want to recreate that feeling of watching it as a kid. Honestly, we have to remember how our experiences and memories formed in childhood are completely subjective and not applicable to anyone else's experience, even when watching the same movie or listening to the same piece of music. What seemed prominent to you was determined by who you are as an individual and where you were at the time - it cannot be replicated in another individual.
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So when did they find the tapes? Asking for a friend.
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Pardon my laziness, but which track has the distinctive piano hammering?
Corrine Put Down. In the film, the percussive counter-melody (as I call it!) is very distinctly audible on piano, with the flute and strings subdued. In the original and now remixed soundtrack releases, the piano is down in the mix and the flute and strings are prominent.
I hear the differences you're pointing out.
If I may interpret: A much lower piano and strings with the placid "prelude" on the '79 album; much more prominent hammered piano and viola on the new score presentation.
Does that jibe with what you hear? To my ears, that prominent viola in the score presentation "prelude" is an unmistakable, bread-and-butter part of the John Barry suspense sound, and nowhere more indispensible than the Bond sound.
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On a third A/B comparison, I think the score presentation "Corinne Put Down" prelude just has clearer overall sonics, with the strings, brass and bass drum (accompanying those piano strikes) benefitting most.
Your note that the piano (and accompanying bass drum strikes) are significantly dialed down on the '79 soundtrack (old and new) is obviously right.
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Can someone point me in the right direction for a list of the "previously unreleased" or "contains previously unreleased material" information for the new La-La Land Releases of MOONRAKER and THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN? Usually it's in the booklet and I like to update my iTunes library with the info.
Thank you.
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Can someone point me in the right direction for a list of the "previously unreleased" or "contains previously unreleased material" information for the new La-La Land Releases of MOONRAKER and THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN? Usually it's in the booklet and I like to update my iTunes library with the info.
Thank you.
Why don't you actually use the booklet, since you presumably actually bought the CDs to be able to rip them to iTunes?
Or just compare the score program tracks to the album program tracks?
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Can someone point me in the right direction for a list of the "previously unreleased" or "contains previously unreleased material" information for the new La-La Land Releases of MOONRAKER and THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN? Usually it's in the booklet and I like to update my iTunes library with the info.
Thank you.
Why don't you actually use the booklet, since you presumably actually bought the CDs to be able to rip them to iTunes?
Or just compare the score program tracks to the album program tracks?
Ummm. Not sure why you are taking a shot at my post... I did buy the CD directly from La-La Land Records. I don't know what is in your CD booklet, but the 'previously unreleased' notations are not in the booklet that came with my CD. I "presume" that if you bought the CD you haven't even looked at your booklet.
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Can someone point me in the right direction for a list of the "previously unreleased" or "contains previously unreleased material" information for the new La-La Land Releases of MOONRAKER and THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN? Usually it's in the booklet and I like to update my iTunes library with the info.
Unless I am "under-thinking" this, per the suggestion above, other than the 10 tracks on the original album, anything (mostly) else is "previously unreleased". For example, Last Leg and Freefall Sequence would have been a candidate for "contain previously unreleased material" (when compared with music used (and not used) in the film), but since the original album never had a "freefall" cue to begin with, the whole track is "previously unreleased".
My take on it anyway. Critiques are welcome.
1. Gun Barrel And Hijackers 1:25 *
2. Last Leg And Freefall Sequence 2:23 *
3. Main Title – Moonraker (Performed By Shirley Bassey) 3:12
4. California And The Drax Residence 1:36 *
5. Look After Mr. Bond And Chang’s Entry 1:34 *
6. Centrifuge 1:09
7. You Presume A Great Deal, Mr. Bond 1:19
8. 18-Carat 1:30
9. Corrine Put Down 1:30
10. Venini Glass And Bond Follows Holly 2:01 *
11. Funeral Barge – Venice Boat Chase 3:15 *
12. Bond Smells A Rat (Extended Version) 2:31 #
13. It Could Have Its Compensations 1:23 *?
14. Bond Arrives In Rio 1:08
15. Cable Car Fight 1:58
16. Hello Dolly (Romeo & Juliet) 0:54 *
17. The Magnificent Seven 0:46 *
18. South American Boat Chase And Hang Glider Crash 1:58 #
19. Bond Lured To Pyramid (Film Version) 2:10 #
20. Snake Fight 1:12
21. Launch Program Commence And I Bid You Farewell 2:26 *
22. Flight Into Space 6:27
23. Marines Get Ready And Emergency Stop 1:44 *
24. Space Laser Battle 2:47
25. Jaws And Dolly Reunited And Jaws Lends A Hand 1:40 *
26. Globes Destroyed 2:38 *
27. End Title – Moonraker (Extended Version) (Performed By Shirley Bassey) 2:48 #
* Previously Unreleased
# Contains previously unreleased material
*? I couldn't tell if this was also the track "Miss Goodhead Meets Bond"
Thanks.
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