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 Posted:   Apr 24, 2023 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Finally received my copy (along with Willow) and am giving it a spin now!

THIS....is a very good day, Tack!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2023 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

Just received my copy -- can't wait to listen to the CD tonight! Thank you to everyone who supported and created the CD.

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2023 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   chris coyle   (Member)


Mine arrived too. You would think Herrmann was conducting On Dangerous Ground himself. We should remember and be grateful that Quartet gives us two wonderful Herrmann soundtracks that they paid to record themselves.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 1:38 AM   
 By:   FalkirkBairn   (Member)

A digital version of this release has now appeared on Amazon, so I assume that it is available at most digital stores. It's also available on Spotify.

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 2:38 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

It's also available on Qobuz now, both for streaming and as download.

https://www.qobuz.com/de-de/album/the-man-who-knew-too-much-on-dangerous-ground-original-motion-picture-soundtracks-william-t-stromberg/s68w2aav3uyeb

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 2:58 AM   
 By:   stravinsky   (Member)

I can't seem to find it on Spotify. Link please?

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 3:12 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I can't seem to find it on Spotify. Link please?


There it is.

https://open.spotify.com/album/73XbbZfBsKYM6ALm76GG82

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 4:19 AM   
 By:   stravinsky   (Member)

Thankyou very much

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Man this is so good.

If only Quartet weren't bullied out of stopping their recording series, think of what other Herrmann goodness in modern sound we could have...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   stravinsky   (Member)

I know it's sacrilegious of me to listen to this new album on Spotify without actually buying the Disc but over the past 35 years I've easily spent about £50,000 on CDs that are now mostly worthless. Plus it's so much easier just to create playlists on Spotify and simply cast the music from my phone through to my new smart amplifier. It's marvellous to hear On Dangerous Ground in modern sound. The recording is so good you'd think it's just a lost Stereo version of what the old RKO Orchestra recorded in 1951. Still the old FSM archive recording remains one of my all time favourite Herrmann releases warts and all. It's weird that Herrmann had the ability to write music which sounded original and new like On Dangerous Ground & North by Northwest, at the same time as writing score after score which sounded like retreads of music written for previous movies. The Man who knew too much falls into this category from what I can hear. It's just a shame Herrmann didn't utilise more of the propulsive (minimalist) Main Title within the main body of the score. The thing is since Herrmann orchestrated all of his scores himself then he possibly just cut corners by endlessly repeating similar musical tropes from previous scores. Some dismiss Herrmann's music as being "Samey" in this way. In a way I can almost see what they mean. Never the less this is a superb and completely perfect re-recording.

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

I know it's sacrilegious of me to listen to this new album on Spotify without actually buying the Disc but over the past 35 years I've easily spent about £50,000 on CDs that are now mostly worthless. Plus it's so much easier just to create playlists on Spotify and simply cast the music from my phone through to my new smart amplifier. It's marvellous to hear On Dangerous Ground in modern sound. The recording is so good you'd think it's just a lost Stereo version of what the old RKO Orchestra recorded in 1951. Still the old FSM archive recording remains one of my all time favourite Herrmann releases warts and all. It's weird that Herrmann had the ability to write music which sounded original and new like On Dangerous Ground & North by Northwest, at the same time as writing score after score which sounded like retreads of music written for previous movies. The Man who knew too much falls into this category from what I can hear. It's just a shame Herrmann didn't utilise more of the propulsive (minimalist) Main Title within the main body of the score. The thing is since Herrmann orchestrated all of his scores himself then he possibly just cut corners by endlessly repeating similar musical tropes from previous scores. Some dismiss Herrmann's music as being "Samey" in this way. In a way I can almost see what they mean. Never the less this is a superb and completely perfect re-recording.

I know what you mean about purchasing another CD especially when I just disposed of my collection.

Re: You’re Herrmann critique
When you start making your living composing music for films with all the challenges of budgeting and scheduling with time limitations you can criticize Herrmann and every other film composer for reusing motifs. They all did it, some more than others, and I’m glad they did. Rozsa was even worse with many scores sounding identical with a new new theme plugged in. So what, it still works and it’s still enjoyable. Furthermore the vast majority of the audience doesn’t even know.

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I know it's sacrilegious of me to listen to this new album on Spotify without actually buying the Disc but over the past 35 years I've easily spent about £50,000 on CDs that are now mostly worthless. Plus it's so much easier just to create playlists on Spotify and simply cast the music from my phone through to my new smart amplifier. It's marvellous to hear On Dangerous Ground in modern sound.

Spotify is only compressed sound though, other streaming services like Qobuz and Tidal offer better fidelity. :-)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   stravinsky   (Member)

I know it's sacrilegious of me to listen to this new album on Spotify without actually buying the Disc but over the past 35 years I've easily spent about £50,000 on CDs that are now mostly worthless. Plus it's so much easier just to create playlists on Spotify and simply cast the music from my phone through to my new smart amplifier. It's marvellous to hear On Dangerous Ground in modern sound. The recording is so good you'd think it's just a lost Stereo version of what the old RKO Orchestra recorded in 1951. Still the old FSM archive recording remains one of my all time favourite Herrmann releases warts and all. It's weird that Herrmann had the ability to write music which sounded original and new like On Dangerous Ground & North by Northwest, at the same time as writing score after score which sounded like retreads of music written for previous movies. The Man who knew too much falls into this category from what I can hear. It's just a shame Herrmann didn't utilise more of the propulsive (minimalist) Main Title within the main body of the score. The thing is since Herrmann orchestrated all of his scores himself then he possibly just cut corners by endlessly repeating similar musical tropes from previous scores. Some dismiss Herrmann's music as being "Samey" in this way. In a way I can almost see what they mean. Never the less this is a superb and completely perfect re-recording.

I know what you mean about purchasing another CD especially when I just disposed of my collection.

Re: You’re Herrmann critique
When you start making your living composing music for films with all the challenges of budgeting and scheduling with time limitations you can criticize Herrmann and every other film composer for reusing motifs. They all did it, some more than others, and I’m glad they did. Rozsa was even worse with many scores sounding identical with a new new theme plugged in. So what, it still works and it’s still enjoyable. Furthermore the vast majority of the audience doesn’t even know.


Don't get me wrong I'm not criticising Herrmann in any way. He was a genius and I love him even when as you say he followed other Composers by reusing ideas. Composing to order and specific time lines must be exhausting esp when the task of orchestration is not farmed out to legions of assistants. I know Herrmann in those days was paid $15,000 per score with an additional $2000 for orchestration. I don't know what $17,000 equates to in today's money?
I love everything Herrmann wrote from Jane Eyre, Anna & The King of Siam through to The Day the Earth Stood Still, White Witch Doctor and Vertigo, Blue Denim then Obsession and Taxi Driver. A true Minimalist decades before the style was even invented.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   stravinsky   (Member)

I know it's sacrilegious of me to listen to this new album on Spotify without actually buying the Disc but over the past 35 years I've easily spent about £50,000 on CDs that are now mostly worthless. Plus it's so much easier just to create playlists on Spotify and simply cast the music from my phone through to my new smart amplifier. It's marvellous to hear On Dangerous Ground in modern sound.

Spotify is only compressed sound though, other streaming services like Qobuz and Tidal offer better fidelity. :-)[/endquote

I get what you are saying but honestly my ears aren't that finely tuned. I probably couldn't hear the difference... ]

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

The so-so Allan Wilson-conducted Spellbound was released in 2007! I’m pretty sure it’s been a decade since Intrada worked with him.

Thanks once again for reminding me of the terrifying passage of time, Yavar!

I agree, Spellbound wasn't everything I had hoped for, but I am a much bigger fan of the Wilson-conducted The Red House, which I enjoyed again just a few weeks ago.


Let's not overlook that Wilson had a much better orchestra under his baton for THE RED HOUSE than he did for SPELLBOUND.


The key thing about Wilson's SPELLBOUND is that it is the only recording of the very extensive music omitted from the film, major sequences of which were essentially recomposed by Audrey Granville cutting and pasting music by Waxman, Webb, and others. One might even argue that she should have shared the Academy Award! The mind-boggling story of miscommunication between Selznick, Hitchcock, and Rozsa is entertainingly told in Nathan Platte's essential Making Music in Selznick's Hollywood.

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I know it's sacrilegious of me to listen to this new album on Spotify without actually buying the Disc but over the past 35 years I've easily spent about £50,000 on CDs that are now mostly worthless. Plus it's so much easier just to create playlists on Spotify and simply cast the music from my phone through to my new smart amplifier. It's marvellous to hear On Dangerous Ground in modern sound.

Spotify is only compressed sound though, other streaming services like Qobuz and Tidal offer better fidelity. :-)[/endquote

I get what you are saying but honestly my ears aren't that finely tuned. I probably couldn't hear the difference... ]




That may of course well be, but I would not give them my money for that very reason nevertheless.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2023 - 5:12 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)


I don't know what $17,000 equates to in today's money?


$197,354.31 for 1951.
$188,647.50 for 1956.

*shrug*

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2023 - 1:20 AM   
 By:   stravinsky   (Member)


I don't know what $17,000 equates to in today's money?


$197,354.31 for 1951.
$188,647.50 for 1956.

*shrug*



I forgot he made $2500 for Orchestration duties. Actually boosting his earnings per movie up to $17,500 during that period. He must've been scribbling all through the night to meet deadlines...

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2023 - 4:46 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Outstanding release. Bill's conducting is superb and the orchestra and acoustics are fab. It's amazing that THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH has gotten such short shrift over the years. It's a terrific score. And as much as I love original recordings, RKO's acetates, no matter what you do to them, never rise above a decidedly flat sound. So having this brilliant re-recording of ON DANGEROUS GROUND is pure joy.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2023 - 3:02 AM   
 By:   iankemsley   (Member)

Listening to the CD now - this is just glorious. Wonderful recordings of some marvellous music. The later reuse of some motifs from ODG is explained in the booklet. A real treat to play through my fairly high-end system (my wife is at the other end of the house...)

 
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