Can someone point me in the right direction for a list of the "previously unreleased" or "contains previously unreleased material" information for the new La-La Land Releases of MOONRAKER and THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN? Usually it's in the booklet and I like to update my iTunes library with the info.
Unless I am "under-thinking" this, per the suggestion above, other than the 10 tracks on the original album, anything (mostly) else is "previously unreleased". For example, Last Leg and Freefall Sequence would have been a candidate for "contain previously unreleased material" (when compared with music used (and not used) in the film), but since the original album never had a "freefall" cue to begin with, the whole track is "previously unreleased".
My take on it anyway. Critiques are welcome.
1. Gun Barrel And Hijackers 1:25 * 2. Last Leg And Freefall Sequence 2:23 * 3. Main Title – Moonraker (Performed By Shirley Bassey) 3:12 4. California And The Drax Residence 1:36 * 5. Look After Mr. Bond And Chang’s Entry 1:34 * 6. Centrifuge 1:09 7. You Presume A Great Deal, Mr. Bond 1:19 8. 18-Carat 1:30 9. Corrine Put Down 1:30 10. Venini Glass And Bond Follows Holly 2:01 * 11. Funeral Barge – Venice Boat Chase 3:15 * 12. Bond Smells A Rat (Extended Version) 2:31 # 13. It Could Have Its Compensations 1:23 *? 14. Bond Arrives In Rio 1:08 15. Cable Car Fight 1:58 16. Hello Dolly (Romeo & Juliet) 0:54 * 17. The Magnificent Seven 0:46 * 18. South American Boat Chase And Hang Glider Crash 1:58 # 19. Bond Lured To Pyramid (Film Version) 2:10 # 20. Snake Fight 1:12 21. Launch Program Commence And I Bid You Farewell 2:26 * 22. Flight Into Space 6:27 23. Marines Get Ready And Emergency Stop 1:44 * 24. Space Laser Battle 2:47 25. Jaws And Dolly Reunited And Jaws Lends A Hand 1:40 * 26. Globes Destroyed 2:38 * 27. End Title – Moonraker (Extended Version) (Performed By Shirley Bassey) 2:48 #
* Previously Unreleased # Contains previously unreleased material
*? I couldn't tell if this was also the track "Miss Goodhead Meets Bond"
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, seinmind! I very much appreciate this information!
*? I couldn't tell if this was also the track "Miss Goodhead Meets Bond"
From listening (no audio software checking), I believe the OST album track Miss Goodhead Meets Bond comprises the two score tracks: You Presume a Great Deal, Mr. Bond and 18-Carat which, if correct, means the cue has nothing to do with Dr. Holly Goodhead.
first part sounds like the one where she is haveing sex with bond
was also heard in the corinne love scene - then it continues with the music in drax safe
Thank you seinmind, I don't know why labels stopped giving this valueble information, though I think ** should replace #, which should denote not used in film (Last Leg, California, Look After Mr. Bond, Launch Program Commence & Jaws Lends A Hand).
There are six completely unused score cues on the new "Moonraker" CD. The second part of "Globes Destroyed" (the sample on the LLL page) is one of those six. The film tracks "Flight Into Space."
Neil
Neil,
Can you help me with what the name of the original track for "Launch Program Commence and I Bid You Farewell"? I know that it was probably some numbers and letters such as MG13D1 or something but I'm just curious.
Also, I am assuming that track is two separate scores because of the "and"? For example, the "Launch Program Commence" belongs in the control room scene and not while Bond and Holly are awaiting their fate under the exhaust engines of Moonraker 5 where "I bid you farewell" is heard?
Here is a video clip where I think the "Launch Program Commence" belongs.
There are six completely unused score cues on the new "Moonraker" CD. The second part of "Globes Destroyed" (the sample on the LLL page) is one of those six. The film tracks "Flight Into Space."
Neil
Neil,
Can you help me with what the name of the original track for "Launch Program Commence and I Bid You Farewell"? I know that it was probably some numbers and letters such as MG13D1 or something but I'm just curious.
Also, I am assuming that track is two separate scores because of the "and"? For example, the "Launch Program Commence" belongs in the control room scene and not while Bond and Holly are awaiting their fate under the exhaust engines of Moonraker 5 where "I bid you farewell" is heard?
Here is a video clip where I think the "Launch Program Commence" belongs.
Thanks for your time in answering this question
I truly love Launch Program Commence by John Barry. Some truly low notes that rumble my sound system and house. It is not a very flashy cue, but a solid musical cue. It reminds me of some of John Barry’s future cues in the 1990’s. Well Done. And Flight into Space sounds so damn good on the newly released music. Everyone did an excellent work. Next? A View to a Kill ..please
As much as I like the cue, I think the choice to leave it out was good because it makes the Flight Into Space scene chords more striking. The effect would not have been as strong if the audience had already heard that music, IMO.
As much as I like the cue, I think the choice to leave it out was good because it makes the Flight Into Space scene chords more striking. The effect would not have been as strong if the audience had already heard that music, IMO.
Alex
Yes that's one interpretation, mine is it creates a (almost subconcious) foreboding for the viewer, which is realised in the opening chords in Flight Into Space, meaning what Drax was explaining, theorising even has come to fruition - it's happening.
Also with Jaws Lends a Hand, as Jaws is mute (except for one line), Barry gives Jaws a voice.
"Launch Program Commence" was left out of the final mix because it would've cut into the NASA ambience the scene was going for.
Drax's "epic vision" took a backseat there to the need to put forward space launch realism...and keep the track clear so the exposition dialogue could be heard without distraction.
"Launch Program Commence" was left out of the final mix because it would've cut into the NASA ambience the scene was going for.
Drax's "epic vision" took a backseat there to the need to put forward space launch realism...and keep the track clear so the exposition dialogue could be heard without distraction.
Interesting. You're stating that like it's a fact and not just a hypothesis. I just wanted to check if that's how you meant it or whether you meant it as a hypothesis? (It's an interesting and credible hypothesis, if that's what it is.)
Still pinching myself that this is real! Moonraker! The full soundtrack… Have listened to it countless times already. But it still seems unreal…
This joins La-La’s Star Trek TOS set, and Arista’s Star Wars Trilogy boxset for me in terms of a release that just blew away expectations, and which one says an inner “thank you” to all involved whenever its played.
I've been listening to this a lot recently. I'm loving the score.
I loved this movie in the theater and used is as a "Quantum of Solace" for my first real love who moved away. I saw it 29 times at the theater. I had thought that the tapes had been lost, but thanks to modern technology we have the score. There are so many cues that are great staring with the gun barrel and then the shuttle hijack. One cue that I loved, and it is short, is the NASA space launch. I keep playing the score over and over that I haven't got to the Paul Williams alternates yet.
BornOfAJackal: "Launch Program Commence" was left out of the final mix because it would've cut into the NASA ambience the scene was going for.
Drax's "epic vision" took a backseat there to the need to put forward space launch realism...and keep the track clear so the exposition dialogue could be heard without distraction.
Stephen Woolston: Interesting. You're stating that like it's a fact and not just a hypothesis. I just wanted to check if that's how you meant it or whether you meant it as a hypothesis? (It's an interesting and credible hypothesis, if that's what it is.)
It's just my guess, but considering how many sound elements are competing for attention in that scene, and how much the dialogue is crucial to understanding the events of the last quarter of the film, it makes sense to me.
Also, as good as Derek Meddings and his team were (and I miss them greatly in today's over-CGI'd cinema), the excellence of the Bond/Pinewood sound effects team in backing up Meddings' visual effects work was always crucial in giving Moore-to-Brosnan era Bond that bit of authenticity that sold the outlandish aspects of those pictures.
All very much typified by a fleet of space shuttles being launched from a spaceport secreted inside an ancient Inca pyramid complex.
Both my Moonraker and TMWTGG arrived today to my delight. Took 6 weeks from ordering to get to my door. Not La La Land's fault as it had left the U.S. approximately 2 weeks after ordering. The other 4 weeks were: stuck in customs 3 weeks before I was contacted to pay tax and a further week before it went to mail sorting office for delivery. I went with La La Land this time as their prices even including shipping were cheaper than 007 Store and a couple of European retailers (who had to wait on embargo to lift.) I will have to think about which way to go on the (hopefully) next batch of Thunderball and AVTAK. in the end it is wonderful to finally have these expanded scores in my hands.
Both my Moonraker and TMWTGG arrived today to my delight. Took 6 weeks from ordering to get to my door. Not La La Land's fault as it had left the U.S. approximately 2 weeks after ordering. The other 4 weeks were: stuck in customs 3 weeks before I was contacted to pay tax and a further week before it went to mail sorting office for delivery. I went with La La Land this time as their prices even including shipping were cheaper than 007 Store and a couple of European retailers (who had to wait on embargo to lift.) I will have to think about which way to go on the (hopefully) next batch of Thunderball and AVTAK. in the end it is wonderful to finally have these expanded scores in my hands.
I sent a package to Slovakia two months ago (!!) and it still hasn't left California, my home state! Keeps going from one California postal station to another. LOL! Thankfully, my customer has lots of patience...
I haven't commented here yet, but MOONRAKER has long been my favorite of Barry's Bonds in the Roger Moore era. The theme melody is lovely, regardless of its being generally less popular with hardcore Bond fans than his others are. I was disappointed whenever I first read of Shirley Bassey's own lack of appreciation for it. "Moonraker" is a wonderful song, even if not the showstopper that "Goldfinger" or "Diamonds Are Forever" were meant to be -- and her delivery I have always found moving.
In fact, I'll offer now a very minority opinion: Long ago I decided that for me, most of the Barry Bond themes sung by a woman seem to be from the perspective of the female character who dies in that story. "Man With the Golden Gun" and "All Time High" are the exceptions, as both of those songs made me feel that Barry was probably more disengaged from the Moore era -- like I am. (At least I do like "All Time High.")
But the real reason for my post now is to add my admiration for "Launch Program Commence." What a revelation! Hearing it for the first time on the CD instantly made me think I should re-evaluate the movie (which I haven't seen since 1979)... until I remembered the booklet notes mentioning the cue having gone unused. To me this is practically Barry's sole cue for the Moore pictures that imparts the level of danger and dread which he created repeatedly for the Connery installments -- when I could still take the films seriously, because I was younger and the pictures were better. I've long felt that "Flight Into Space" is one of the composer's single greatest cues ever; but unlike Alex Klein, I think the sinister, ominous-but-brief "Launch Program Commence" would have offered a dramatically effective tease, a preparation for the longer and grander piece to come. Had I heard the shorter cue in the film first, I know I would have been yearning to hear those opening chords again!
While I have enjoyed all of LaLaLand's new Barry Bond editions so far, MOONRAKER is absolutely the highlight for me and already the one which I have replayed the most.
I won't say this is my favorite Bond song or even my favorite Shirley Bassey Bond song but the way she sings "felt your touch" in that first verse is so iconic to me. It's been stuck in my head for days...
question regarding FLIGHT INTO SPACE the choir bit found from time-mark 5:11 those cannot be heard on the EMI 2003 release but can be heard on the LA LA OST could they be heard on the LP OST?? It would not be a real OST version if there are those differences
If I weren't "listening" for it I wouldn't have heard the choir at 5:11 - 5:20 on either the 2003 edition or the LLL releases. The real beauty of the choir comes in at the end.
I'll say the brass/horns on the 2003/YouTube seem a bit louder (is it masking the choir?).
The end question is still the same, was the original 79 album the intended representation of this score? I think it's unfair to compare, especially when the composer is no longer with us to offer their definitive answer.
