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 Posted:   May 14, 2023 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Just listened to those two particular tracks and I have pretty good ears and I'm not hearing anything like you're hearing and they sound just like the tracks that precede and follow. My caveat here is that I have not heard the CD nor have I heard "samples" from anywhere. Bill Stromberg posted the entire CD on YouTube and I grabbed it from there and it all sounds fine to me. I can quibble with this or that, but again the sound part is fine to my ears. Now, maybe what Bill posted was pre-mastering - I don't know about that. I will get the CD and listen to that soon. In the meantime, I invite you to go to YouTube and listen to what Bill posted and see how that sounds to your ears.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2023 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

So I tested a few tracks in CD quality. For reference I use a pair of Sennheisser HD-500 Heaphones. I did in fact notice a very slight difference in the tracks people have noted as bad but it's like REALLY subtle. Enough that multiple previous listens didn't make be think anything was wrong at all. At worst some of it sounds a bit 'pinched'.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2023 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Roger F. at Intrada just posted:

"No one on the production team hears any issues, including Bill and Mike Ross, the recording engineer and mixer and he's the best in the business. I hear a little vibrato in the string playing, which is how the players performed it. But that's about it. So there's nothing to correct as far as we can tell."


http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9055


 
 Posted:   May 15, 2023 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

Hey Rodger
If you don’t already know this: The inmates run the asylum here ;-)

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2023 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

I've been listening to ODG since I received the disc. No issues at all. It all sounds perfect to me both in interpretation and engineering. Since only one person has made an issue of this across multiple forums I'm inclined to trust my own ears and enjoy the recording.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2023 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   FalkirkBairn   (Member)

Roger F. at Intrada just posted:

"No one on the production team hears any issues, including Bill and Mike Ross, the recording engineer and mixer and he's the best in the business. I hear a little vibrato in the string playing, which is how the players performed it. But that's about it. So there's nothing to correct as far as we can tell."


http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9055


And maybe this is why it wasn't covered much here. It's not an issue. Now just enjoy this excellent release.

 
 
 Posted:   May 15, 2023 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

I guess anybody who is somehow "very distracted" by the sound quality of this recording can listen to the acetates that FSM released instead.

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2023 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

That said, I was literally stunned to discover that not everything worked properly in the operation. And it also amazes me that no one talks about it, as if there is a deliberate desire not to mention the proverbial elephant in the room.

I’ve listened on my stereo, with AirPods, and in my car and I’ve heard no such elephant.

My hearing may be subpar. (Okay, in my left ear, it definitely is, but my right ear is doing great!). But I haven’t heard what you’re talking about. And hence, I have no spoken about it.

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2023 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   marcmsh56   (Member)

I think the CD sounds absolutely amazing and I cannot stop listening. Thanks so much for theses amazing scores!!!

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2023 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Interesting that JB Berg hasn't returned, which I always find odd. I think we can all now say there is NOTHING wrong with any tracks on this album and put silliness to bed.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2023 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   jkruppa   (Member)

Interesting that JB Berg hasn't returned, which I always find odd. I think we can all now say there is NOTHING wrong with any tracks on this album and put silliness to bed.

I got a weird comment on my podcast last year, something about me mispronouncing the word "album," which was totally bizarre and untrue, and I think it was a bot. I see this kind of thing more and more: random comments causing friction, posted from accounts that never re-engage. The internet is getting stranger and stranger.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2023 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Interesting that JB Berg hasn't returned, which I always find odd. I think we can all now say there is NOTHING wrong with any tracks on this album and put silliness to bed.

I noticed that this is the second account from Italy that has objected to something vague (and unwarranted) in the mastering of an Intrada release. The other account was banned here.

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2023 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   JB Berg   (Member)

Yes, I'm Italian, but I'm not a bot.
Funny and even a little annoying that someone thought I'm a bot just because I didn't reply.
However, not only am I not a bot, but I'm one of those who helped fund the project, so I think I'm entitled to make my observations and report my disappointment.

The sound issues I've reported is not a matter of opinion, it's a fact.
But there is nothing to reply to those who say they don't feel it and that just because they don't feel it, they call me lunatic.
Nor does the fact that the producers of the album have denied the existence of any problem seem to me a sufficient argument to disprove my observation.

In conclusion, the album remains an excellent product.
THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH feel great. Most ON DANGEROUS GROUND's tracks as well.

The secret of happiness is being content with what you have and not wanting anything else.

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2023 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

'A wise old man told me one time
Happiness is a frame of mind
When you go to measuring my success
Don't count my money count my happiness.'

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2023 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   jkruppa   (Member)

Yes, I'm Italian, but I'm not a bot.
Funny and even a little annoying that someone thought I'm a bot just because I didn't reply.
However, not only am I not a bot, but I'm one of those who helped fund the project, so I think I'm entitled to make my observations and report my disappointment.

The sound issues I've reported is not a matter of opinion, it's a fact.
But there is nothing to reply to those who say they don't feel it and that just because they don't feel it, they call me lunatic.
Nor does the fact that the producers of the album have denied the existence of any problem seem to me a sufficient argument to disprove my observation.

In conclusion, the album remains an excellent product.
THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH feel great. Most ON DANGEROUS GROUND's tracks as well.

The secret of happiness is being content with what you have and not wanting anything else.


Thanks for responding, and I'm sorry I suggested you were a bot.

As for the sound issues, I downloaded the hi rez version and just gave the tracks you mentioned a listen, specifically paying attention for any sound issues. Like others here, I didn't notice anything that stood out. I believe you're hearing what you hear, but if the producers of the album and presumably the engineer -- someone with very good ears, I would imagine -- doesn't hear it, then what can be done? What would you like, exactly?

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2023 - 10:59 PM   
 By:   JB Berg   (Member)

what can be done? What would you like, exactly?

The answer to your good question is the reason I didn't reply, at first.
I don't know what can be done, nor if there is a way to fix it. I can only assume and hope so.
Of course I don't expect anything in particular.

If the CD is ever reissued one day and I am certain that the problem is resolved, I would definitely buy it again.
In the meantime who knows: at least the streaming version will be fixed.
To achieve this, however, someone must first realize that the problem is not just a hallucination of an isolated Italian audiophile, but that - however inaudible to most - the issue exists.

In spite of all this, will I participate in the next Intrada Kickstarter campaign?
Absolutely yes.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2023 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

I'm willing to give a listen to the exact sections of the exact cues that you name as problematic. Could you provide the track titles, and the exact timings from your CD player for those sections? It is hard to tell from your description of the problem just what you are hearing, and I heard nothing variable from cue to cue when I gave the CD a spin last week. So track titles and timings, please?

P.S. I have an OPPO player, a Marantz receiver, Sennheiser Headphones, AKG Headphones, and Polk speakers. I usually "fine tune" listening on the AKG headphones.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2023 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   JB Berg   (Member)

The defect to which I am referring is substantially perceptible in all cues from track 22 (Prelude) to track 29 (The House). It is particularly evident in the bars performed by strings and woodwinds, while it tends to be less perceived when trumpets and other brass are played in a muted tone.
For example, it is very marked in the whole track 27 (Hunt Scherzo): listen i.e. from 2:10 or from 2:36.
It seems to disappear completely in the tracks since the viola d'amore appears, i.e. from track 30 to the end of the album, except for the very beginning of track 31 (Frigth), where it briefly appears again.

I think you can hear it any playback medium. I felt it with Sony WH-1000XM4 headphones connected via bluetooth to cellphone (Spotify), with my average car stereo system, with my home wi-fi implant (Rotel amplifier, Denon CD player, Sonus Faber speakers) playing the original Intrada CD, with Jabra headphones connected to PC, etc.

You could describe this kind of distortion by referring to the "sound of sea in the shells".
If you want a clear example of it, you can listen to the whole GNP Crescendo CD of Randy Miller's HELLRAISER III score, where - however - the defect is present in a much more evident and sensational way than here.
This same distorting effect was deliberately used - as an ingenious alienating solution - by Michael Kamen in the AMAZING STORIES episode MIRROR, MIRROR.

I hope I have given you a few more elements to identify what we are talking about

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2023 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)


I think you can hear it any playback medium. I felt it with Sony WH-1000XM4 headphones connected via bluetooth to cellphone (Spotify), with my average car stereo system, with my home wi-fi implant (Rotel amplifier, Denon CD player, Sonus Faber speakers) playing the original Intrada CD, with Jabra headphones connected to PC, etc.




Congratulations on the Sonus Faber speakers. I had a pair of their "Grand Piano" a long while back. As beautifully-made as any fine musical instruments.
But now I'm a less-affluent old senior, that luxury stuff has gone and I do my listening almost exclusively via a couple of pairs of infinitely more modest Sennheiser HD600 headphones (which I love).
Maybe my aging ears are letting me down, but I haven't detected any of the ODG problems you have listed.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2023 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I just listened to the track in question via smartphone and Sony WH-1000XM3 headphones, so a very similar setup, and don't hear any of the egregious issues that you insist are there.

 
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