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 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 7:53 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Pro's- Pretty new packaging!
Con's- Lipstick on a pig.
Pro's- Sounds better than CD's.
Con's- Play it once and it scratches, skips and you got to turn it over.
Pro's- Everyone's into Vinyl. It's a collector's item.
Con's- Totally invented marketing scheme.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   McMillan & Husband   (Member)

including at least one title that will probably be exclusive on vinyl and another one that will be greatly expanded from what it once was.

Well, as someone who doesn't own a turntable (and isn't looking to buy one) this kinda sucks. Granted, I don't know what any of these titles are so for all I know I might not be interested in picking them up in any format but making things exclusive to vinyl is a bit limiting I think. Others will probably disagree, though.


Why would it suck? The expanded album will come out after the CD is released. The exclusive is just coming out on vinyl first and then later on CD.


Ah, ok.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Penelope Pineapple   (Member)

NPR just had an article on the resurgence of vinyl where they reported that vinyl sales currently made up 3.5% of all music sales and that 6.5 million records were sold in the "first part of 2014." (http://www.npr.org/2014/11/29/367420344/vinyl-once-thought-dead-makes-a-comeback-in-the-digital-age)

One person is quoted as saying they've turned to purchasing records as reaction to the "immediacy" of how music is now consumed through streaming services, single song purchases on iTunes, etc., and the LP kind of forces the listener to enjoy an album as one piece. I do agree with that view, but I do that with my CDs already. To some extent I do think that streaming services and iTunes et al have cheapened the value of music and have taken away the experience of enjoying albums (and their artwork and liner notes) as whole pieces. I'd be surprised if this uptick in sales is permanent (I think vinyl will always be around, though); the people I know who do purchase vinyl do so because it's either a novelty or because it's simply fashionable to do so right now. I'm glad for those who have always loved vinyl, though--no doubt this is all good news for them.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

Very interesting development from Intrada - colour me cautiously excited by this news (love LPs). Cautiously as it depends on exactly WHAT is being put onto the LP. If it's the standard 16-bit CD master being put through the RIAA process and onto the LP one might as well stick with the CD. If it's higher-res masters being cut or - best case scenario like the recent Beatles mono set - full analogue transfers then I'd be very interested in buying these.

My hope is for each release Intrada will be completely open/honest about the source for each LP (16-bit/24-bit/analogue transfer to LP etc). I wouldn't buy unless they were... There are many jumping upon the vinyl band-wagon now, and many are lazily just replaying the 16-bit CD through a DAC to make the LP master. You get the worst of both formats that way.

Unfortunately many don't care - it's an LP so therefore will contain LP mojo/magic! wink

John.

P.S. The plural of vinyl is... vinyl - sorry to be pedantic wink


These are all being remastered specifically for LP.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

LP does not sound better, a quaint myth at best.

This would be a niche within a niche within a niche market.

If they often press 3000 limited edition CD's and often do not sell them all how many LP can be sold? Maybe 500?

Why anyone wants a music format that chops the album up into pieces and cannot be taken anywhere is hard to fathom.

The resurgence of LP is pretty overstated, since it was almost non-existent, it does not really take much to qualify as 'resurgence'. The amount sold is still a tiny / tiny fraction of sold music.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/nov/27/vinyls-making-a-comeback-dont-believe-the-hype

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   Penelope Pineapple   (Member)

LP does not sound better, a quaint myth at best.

This would be a niche within a niche within a niche market.

If they often press 3000 limited edition CD's and often do not sell them all how many LP can be sold? Maybe 500?

Why anyone wants a music format that chops the album up into pieces and cannot be taken anywhere is hard to fathom.

The resurgence of LP is pretty overstated, since it was almost non-existent, it does not really take much to qualify as 'resurgence'. The amount sold is still a tiny / tiny fraction of sold music.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/nov/27/vinyls-making-a-comeback-dont-believe-the-hype


That article hit the nail on the head.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Although I'm not nuts about things being reissued exclusively to vinyl, I'd be far better with it if each copy purchased came with its own download link. I don't have room in my already overcrowded life for a turntable and the need to spend my own time transferring soundtracks to digital in order to take them on the go. Much as I lamented it twenty years ago, I did my grieving for vinyl and am now getting prepared to do my grieving for CD. Don't make me go back there! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   Kim Peterson   (Member)

"you know I was just having fun" = jealousy

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

including at least one title that will probably be exclusive on vinyl and another one that will be greatly expanded from what it once was.

Well, as someone who doesn't own a turntable (and isn't looking to buy one) this kinda sucks. Granted, I don't know what any of these titles are so for all I know I might not be interested in picking them up in any format but making things exclusive to vinyl is a bit limiting I think. Others will probably disagree, though.


Why would it suck? The expanded album will come out after the CD is released. The exclusive is just coming out on vinyl first and then later on CD.


Ah, ok.


I thought the same thing. When I read "exclusive on vinyl", I thought it meant only on vinyl.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

Vinyl? Include me out! mad

I had nothing but trouble with LPs: warped, pops, marks, turntable rumble, poor sound quality etc.

I remember buying The Eiger Sanction in the early 70s, it sounded terrible and I returned it 2 more times! All were badly warped! I finally gave up!

In the early 70s a big shot at MCA/Decca was quoted as saying "we press LPs for 14 year old kids in mind."

My older brother Joe started to buy LPs about 1955, and I started in 1964. I much prefer CDS. I will say some labels did a fine job such as London Phase 4 and the RCA Living Stereo series etc.
Done right vinyl can sound very good, but it's no longer for me. I do miss the big 12" X 12" covers.

Who now has turntables to even play vinyl? Can you still buy them?

I hope the labels that issue vinyl WILL ALSO issue the COMPLETE scores on CD as well!

I doubt vinyl will sell that well .........

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


Who now has turntables to even play vinyl? Can you still buy them?


Their being manufactured again. You can get them at Barns and Noble, Gohastings, just to name two. (In many styles and varieties.) The sad thing is once the fad dies out in 12 months, all those turntables purchased this xmas will end up in a landfill. More senseless pollution.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)


Who now has turntables to even play vinyl? Can you still buy them?


Their being manufactured again. You can get them at Barns and Noble, Gohastings, just to name two. (In many styles and varieties.) The sad thing is once the fad dies out in 12 months, all those turntables purchased this xmas will end up in a landfill. More senseless pollution.


Along with the large framed vanity eyeglasses that the hipsters are wearing now.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Pro's- Sounds better than CD's.
Con's- Play it once and it scratches, skips and you got to turn it over.



Wouldn't could on it. Word on the street is that these modern vinyls* are mastered from digital sources. If you're lucky that's a 24-bit master, making it audibly a bit better than a cd if you got the right equipment.

Con's- Totally invented marketing scheme.


Yes. And fortunately our beloved and honest labels don't even deny it.


* When you're talking about the substance 'vinyl' is also plural, when you mean the individual record, I guess vinyl could use the plural 'vinyls'.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

This whole "vinyl comeback" thing is a combination fanboy/one-percenter phenomenon.

Take a look at the AcousticSounds.com website and pore through their recent vinyl re-presses: Old RCA Victor classical, Tony Bennett, The Doors, Norah Jones for chrissakes. I'd certainly go for the classical and The Doors if I had a stockbroker/surgeon level of income, too.

Nevertheless, as a member of the bottom one-percent, I have indulged in a very few Mondo vinyl releases because the imagination shown for those re-presses fulfills the sort of creative, chance-taking packaging that music releasing companies just couldn't afford to risk back in the old days.

And notice I lauded the "chance-taking packaging" instead of the sound. I couldn't afford the kind of vinyl setup that would tell me whether these LP's sound all that great or not.

To be frank, I fell in love with movie music while listening to LP's, and these boutique vinyl release setups have really got me by the balls. I couldn't resist Mondo's Music from 2001: A Space Odyssey, because the idea of putting a rejected Alex North score on LP--especially this one--and packaging it in a cool way, which they undeniably achieved, just hits my personal sweet spot for cool media items that should have been, but were never allowed to exist.

It makes it seem as if I entered the Interstellar wormhole and came out in a universe where the record companies got the vinyl pressings of movie scores perfect-for-all-eternity on the first try.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)



These are all being remastered specifically for LP.



What does that mean?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

The equipment industry and certain boutique publishers would love to convince everyone to spend lots of money on high bit recordings, and lots more money on very expensive home stereo equipment. But technology has leveled the audio video field, and you can spend less than about $2000 and get a remarkably effective and lifelike sound system, and it will be driven by a high quality CD player, it is indiscernible from high bit LP's played on sound systems that are $50,000.


 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)



These are all being remastered specifically for LP.



What does that mean?


Mastering considerations for LPs are different than that for CDs, so it would not be appropriate to simply take the CD master and use it to create an LP master.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

This is good news. All the so-called soundtrack specialists combined haven't given us one authorized original soundtrack by the great Frank Skinner throughout the entire history of the CD medium.
Maybe now they'll be able to re-release some of his old soundtracks in their original LP format instead.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)



These are all being remastered specifically for LP.



What does that mean?


Mastering considerations for LPs are different than that for CDs, so it would not be appropriate to simply take the CD master and use it to create an LP master.


Ah right. But in what way exactly? Is is equalized? (I'm not a technical, I'm glad if I can get an electrical connector right -- even a European).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2014 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

"you know I was just having fun" = jealousy

We knew you'd be here. Thanks for being ever predictable. You may now go back in your little crevice. Jealousy? Why? If we wanted to play this game we'd play this game. Just as others will or won't.

 
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