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 Posted:   Jan 24, 2018 - 10:58 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Oh, and Varese, listen to me now & believe me later (that KILLED in the 90s I tell ya....), bring on the Deluxe Edition. It'll be great to read how truly butchered & tracked the score was in the film. Please hire the Kaplans to write the liner notes, since they worship Silvestri in action mode. That is all.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2018 - 11:06 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

The plot is a weird combination of Cape Fear meets The Wire meets Alfred Hitchcock Presents, ridiculously compressed to fit a running time of less than two hours. If any of the subplots had been given more room to develop, they might have made for an interesting TV series

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2018 - 11:14 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

I can't help but think tongue was very much in cheek, revisiting this flick after 2 decades. My wife kept on that "this is total science fiction". Especially the Lithgow prison scenes. Total sci-fi.
Still....entertaining for 104mins. Poor missus has to endure Silvestri the rest of the week now, ha! Death Becomes Her down, now time for bed with The Bodyguard. Damn that's a good album, thank you LLL for doing that one.

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 3:33 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

This is one of the films where I ended up rooting for the bad guy.

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 5:39 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

You would think I'm wasted on a Nick Styles Speedball Cocktail every time I post in this thread, reading back on earlier, idiotic comments of mine. However, I'm not, just tired, sue me....
-Sesn


How tired are you, Sesn? wink

This is one of the films where I ended up rooting for the bad guy.

Not ... (gulp) ... surely you can't mean ... Earl Talbot Blake?! eek

"I guess a baretta in the butt beats a butterfly in the boot, huh?"

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 6:06 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

You would think I'm wasted on a Nick Styles Speedball Cocktail every time I post in this thread, reading back on earlier, idiotic comments of mine. However, I'm not, just tired, sue me....
-Sesn


How tired are you, Sesn? wink

This is one of the films where I ended up rooting for the bad guy.

Not ... (gulp) ... surely you can't mean ... Earl Talbot Blake?! eek

"I guess a baretta in the butt beats a butterfly in the boot, huh?"


It's just that Denzel Washington (usually a fine actor imo) and his "family" were wayyy to plastic and perfect to me. Washington eats up the scenery in the movie even more than Lithgow, yet as fun as Lithgow can get Washington Good Guy Badge gets way to far shined up imo. It's not even a comic book as far as dimensionality goes (and btw, yes I'm aware that elements of the artistic show up in comics, I mean the OLD old school stuff).

When it comes to cardboard cut out characters, I'll take the entertaining villain over a Boy Scout Ken doll any day (and some folks will so hate me for this, but even though I can't stand Star Wars I'd take Vader over Dork Stywalker any old day).

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

It's just that Denzel Washington (usually a fine actor imo) and his "family" were wayyy to plastic and perfect to me. Washington eats up the scenery in the movie even more than Lithgow, yet as fun as Lithgow can get Washington Good Guy Badge gets way to far shined up imo. It's not even a comic book as far as dimensionality goes (and btw, yes I'm aware that elements of the artistic show up in comics, I mean the OLD old school stuff).

You make good points. Not a perfect film by any means! But I do think that making Nick Styles so plastic and perfect was kind of the point, and may have been done on purpose. The shinier his Good Guy Badge was, the nastier Blake became, I think. As you move Styles up the plastic-o-meter, Blake moves down the vicious-o-meter by default. Plus, Styles had to exude such a Boy Scout demeanor to make his "fall from grace" that much harder and dramatic. If he'd had more shades of dark to his character the story wouldn't have worked as well IMO, because he wouldn't have had such a far way to plummet and thus such a triumphant and kickass retaliation. I know I'm overthinking the movie but that was my thought in response to what you wrote. I think Denzel did good in the role, but he was destined to be outshone by Lithgow and the role of Styles wasn't much of a challenge for his talent. While I agree Washington chewed some scenery (i.e. The Nick Styles Show and various states of drunk/drugged Nick), he didn't come close to the dynamic flash that Lithgow put on in his performance. He definitely villained it overtime even though during the second act he downplayed everything to the extreme as he calmly and cooly turned the screws on Styles.

That's mah opinion ricocheting back in your direction I guess. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2018 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Wait, i wrote WHAT now???
;-)
Interesting discussion & thanks Deputy for the work you put up in the first place.
Sounds like this film was one that you might have seen in that formative years period, where I can say the same about the album. I used to, and still somewhat, listened to it often, those dark days when we weren't flooded with albums & you were grateful for anything!
Lithgow is great as a badass here - didn't he follow up with more babysnatching in CAIN after RICOCHET? We were dying watching him roust Jesse Ventura in a prison fight. Really??
And I was happy to see the only and only Bub in a supporting role....accidentally credited as Sherman Howard, not Howard Sherman! Oops.
Day of the Dead fans should have a look.

-Sean

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2020 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

One of Silvestri's most underrated scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2020 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Good Lord almighty, I re read this since it popped up again (Feb 4 2020) and am embarrassed for myself and a few others! Shames on us'ss!

Note to self - do not come back to this thread again and sully your flawless persona here...

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2020 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

A slick, early 90s, B-movie thriller with engaging performances. I've listened to this countless times over the decades, and ya, I could go for an expanded release; one of Silvestri's stronger efforts. Another 10 mins or so of action could possibly flesh it out more.

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2020 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   edern   (Member)

Just supplanting your breakdown with some cue titles I discovered on the BMI repertoire:

Festival Band


Rewatched that very entertaining cartoonish flick recently and the "Festival Band" cue (heard at approx. 6'15 in) would also sound quite out of place with the rest of the score if added to an expanded album. It's a typical joyfully cheesy piece of kinda-latino source music by Silvestri, with synth, saxophone and percussions.

The source music playing during the Clown scene (at approx. 1h 15' when Nick Styles rushes out of his home after watching the videotape) also features synth and sax, and may very well be written by Silvestri.

With these two, you have at least 4 pieces of source music composed by Silvestri for Ricochet (with the "Busted" TV stinger and if you count the unused "Nazi Bookstore" cue).

 
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