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 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 4:08 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

About that MGM anti iso score policy Ford mentions:

WHY NOT TRUE FOR "TOMORROW NEVER DIES" ?

If they can do it with this one they could do it with others, right?

I will never understand these rights-holders frown


Well you picked the title that helped put the policy in place.

My understanding is when the DVD first came out, MGM HOME VIDEO forgot to mention it to MGM MUSIC.

Needless to say they didn't want the score isolated in the first place,but it was too late.

Within a week of the DVD's release bootlegs started to appear and after that the policy was put into place no to isolate scores on their DVDS.

Why make it easier for folks to steal your music in the first place?

A wise reaction to a error on their part.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 4:12 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Oh yeah, botlegs are wrong Ford- especially Blade Runner ones Ford.....

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 4:15 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

'Personally I would have preferred the scores, as heard in the film, in sequence followed by bonus tracks of the album re-recordings. But hey, who am I to say?'

You are a paying customer, who loves film music. I, like you, would prefer having that music, as heard in the film. Often times, this solicits comments from some, who say, 'Be glad to get the music,' as if we are not. I just want what I heard in the film and in that order. John? You my friend, are the reason scores sell. I feel, companies sometimes forget this. I


You are suffering from an incredible case of self-important fanboy thinking....

These CDS are being geared to the JAMES BOND fanbase which is about 10,000 times BIGGER then the soundtrack fanbase..

If everyone who is a score Geek didn't buy these CDS, it wouldn't even be a tiny blip on their sales charts.

My understanding is that the album couldn't be in film order for a variety of legal,publishing and even clearance reasons.

My understsanding is that it was this way or NOTHING, I think most of you would agree that it's best way to given the limits that are in place.

And here is something that none of you are not going to like to hear....

These CDS could be in film order or in it's current configuration and either way it won't affect sales in the slightest.

That's life in the big city.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 4:21 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Oh yeah, botlegs are wrong Ford- especially Blade Runner ones Ford.....

Young Justin,

Still trying to play with the adults I see.


Ford A. Thaxton


 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Ahhh Ford, still into not telling the truth. How un-adult of you.
So Ford, what it's like being a total waste of skin and a big fat tub of lard that your parents hated? And most everybody else? Does Horner still avoid you?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   Christian Reiffenrath   (Member)

How i would miss this board without the frequent insults frown

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

Is the Goldfinger CD with the 4 extra tracks from the U.K. LP the complete score?

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   Geoffers   (Member)


Whilst it is a little disappointing to hear that no extra music from Moonraker could be found, I think the tapes may surface one day. I wonder if anyone asked engineer Dan Wallin?

Cheers
Chris Malone


I don't think there is all that much more music in Moonraker. Little Gareth Bramley listed all the cues and I think it's around 45 minutes in all, and not all of that would be suitable for inclusion:

OPENING TITLES 0.21
SHUTTLE IGNITION 0.40
PARACHUTE FALL 0.30
JAMES BOND THEME 0.54
CIRCUS 0.22
MAIN TITLES (Shirley Bassey) 2.45
THE DRAX RESIDENCE 0.42
CENTRIFUGE (1) 0.40
CENTRIFUGE (2) 0.58
BOND MEETS CORRINE (1) 0.53
BOND MEETS CORRINE (2) 1.21
CORRINE PUT DOWN 1.02
BOND IN VENICE 0.30
BOND PURSUDES GOODHEAD 0.36
GONDOLA CHASE 2.05
PROCESSION 0.40
BOND SMELLS A RAT 2.11
BOND MEETS GOODHEAD 1.15
BOND IN RIO (1) 0.59
BOND IN RIO (2) 3.00
7 UP 0.42
CABLE CAR 1.48
RESCUE OF JAWS 0.42
THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN 0.40
BOAT CHASE (1) 0.35
BOAT CHASE (2) 0.28
GLIDER 0.22
BOND LURED TO PYRAMID 1.56
SNAKE FIGHT 1.04
MR BOND/DR. GOODHEAD…I BID YOU FAREWELL 0.32
FLIGHT INTO SPACE (1) 2.21
FLIGHT INTO SPACE (2) 3.00
LAUNCH FEED PROGRAMME COMPLETE SIR! 0.21
EMERGENCY STOP 1.06
SPACE LASER BATTLE (1) 0.44
SPACE LASER BATTLE (2) 1.20
HERE’S TO US 0.51
FLIGHT INTO SPACE (3) 0.32
FLIGHT INTO SPACE (4) 0.32
I THINK HE’S ATTEMPTING RE-ENTRY
/ END TITLES (S. Bassey) 2.27

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   Laurent WATTEAU   (Member)

Ford "Analphabete" Thaxton, you're just an asshole.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Ford "Analphabete" Thaxton, you're just an asshole.

Perhaps, but I also have this habit of telling the truth that you don't seem to like very much.

And that is what you really seem to not like, that for the most part I'm right on this issues.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

I don't think there is all that much more music in Moonraker. Little Gareth Bramley listed all the cues and I think it's around 45 minutes in all, and not all of that would be suitable for inclusion:

I have a copy of a "promo" of The Black Hole that I found on the side of the road one day. It has 6 minutes of Moonraker, including the title song in that wicked cool Disco version, as heard at the end of the EMI album. (This time with better sound quality)

I've never seen the film, so I don't know the scene that this music is from. I do know it sounds better than the hideous EMI CD release of the LP program. Anybody know why the evil people who cooked up this "promo" were able to find stuff that EMI couldn't?

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   Geoffers   (Member)



I have a copy of a "promo" of The Black Hole that I found on the side of the road one day. It has 6 minutes of Moonraker, including the title song in that wicked cool Disco version, as heard at the end of the EMI album. (This time with better sound quality)

I've never seen the film, so I don't know the scene that this music is from. I do know it sounds better than the hideous EMI CD release of the LP program. Anybody know why the evil people who cooked up this "promo" were able to find stuff that EMI couldn't?


Because it's not taken from the original soundtrack by John Barry! This is a cover version by soneone like Erich Kunzel, I guess. As to the Bassey vocal, Mask take most of their 'boots' from original vinyl, so that might explain it. I'm no expert, though ...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 11:17 PM   
 By:   Adam Cousins   (Member)

Ford "Analphabete" Thaxton, you're just an asshole.
Good grief it's only film music we're talking about. Everyone is entitled to their opinion be it Thaxtonite or otherwise. I'm realtively new to this site, but bloody hell! Some of you out there should try and take yourselves a little less seriously!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 11:27 PM   
 By:   Adam Cousins   (Member)

Man alive, everyone is entititled to their opinion, be it Thaxtonite or otherwise. I'm relatively new to this sight and can't help but notice that there's one or two of you out there whoo take themselves far too seriously. It's only film music we're talking about - so sit down and take a deep breath.

By the way I really like the Four Feathers - how do ya like them apples!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2002 - 11:29 PM   
 By:   Adam Cousins   (Member)

Ooops, kinda double posted - but you get the idea, I hope!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2002 - 2:47 AM   
 By:   Melvin Stephens   (Member)

'You are suffering from an incredible case of self-important fanboy thinking....'

This 'fanboy', is a term I've noticed you writting on this board many times. Please, for someone as slow as I; explain, just what does this mean? Name calling is not one of my specialties. I've always attempted to stick with facts, topic and civility. Have never called you a name. I have engaged in my silly little stories, when the topics become as it is now veering toward. You, in the past, have been so kind as to furnish me with information. This I still appreciate and no doubt, in the future, may call upon you again. Let me say again, I would like to have the music in chronological order. Nothing more, nothing less. This makes me a 'fanboy'? A Nazi? A baby killer? etc.

'Man alive, everyone is entititled to their opinion, be it Thaxtonite or otherwise. I'm relatively new to this sight and can't help but notice that there's one or two of you out there whoo take themselves far too seriously.'

Yes, we are entitled to our opinions. I've found no one taking themselves (as I read it) too seriously. The discussion, is Bond music. Some have expressed nothing more than to simply have the music: 'Personally I would have preferred the scores, as heard in the film, in sequence followed by bonus tracks of the album re-recordings. But hey, who am I to say?''After all this time I'm not going to get picky about the sequencing...I'm just happy that it's finally happening.'

The two statements mentioned above,(and others) have been nothing short of cordial. They state a preference. The writers have shown their parents have done a most excellent job in teaching tolerance of different opinions. They also, like myself, realize we are in America, where freedom of expression is allowed.

That being said, I feel compelled to call out Doris, perhaps she might give it a go. Rather you didn't Mel, prefer not to get involved. You gents appear to be having a damn good show. Remember, keep a stiff ... oh my, upper lip. Speaking of lip, would you by chance happen to have a fag? Gave them up, too damn expensive. What the hell, no need getting my nickers in a bunch; I can a-Ford it.




 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2002 - 4:47 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

This is a cover version by soneone like Erich Kunzel, I guess.

That could explain it. I still don't understand how the title song on an LP, transferred by a "promo-maker," would sound better than the official CD. Especially when considering that the CD and LP both probably originated from the same master tapes.

I'll shut up before I get moderated out (if it's not already too late.)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2002 - 9:06 AM   
 By:   Chris Malone   (Member)


I don't think there is all that much more music in Moonraker. Little Gareth Bramley listed all the cues and I think it's around 45 minutes in all, and not all of that would be suitable for inclusion:


Interesting list Geoff. I didn't realise how short most of the cues in Moonraker are. "Flight Into Space" is probably the longest although it is split in the film. Maybe some others were actually longer and edited down for the final mix. The one cue I’ll miss is the "Gondola Chase" -- such a great use of the James Bond Theme and classical music! But all I have to do is watch the film to get my thrills from this one.

As for the expanded Live and Let Die disc I'm looking forward to hearing more of George Martin's hip R&B score. A few ‘new’ cues that come to mind are: "The Ooh Cult Voodoo Shop", "The Bus Chase (Low Bridge)", "The Airfield Chase" and "The Boat Chase." A lot of chases! Also the finale will be great to have. Additionally I think "Baron Samedi's Dance of Death" is longer in the film, so I wonder if it will be expanded, being an album track already. As a side note: perhaps one of the reasons LALD was expanded is that the old laserdisc included an isolated score track (in mono). I presume reuse fees were paid for this and as such would not need to be paid again.

Although some are probably not upset about an expanded Dr. No, it would have been an interesting proposition. The album seems to be a re-recording / source music score which I think is musically inferior to the film. For a completist, think of the fun in having the “Tarantula” cue - with the hits synchronised to Bond smashing it to bits with his slipper!!

I’m excited about the new releases and have been playing the current discs over and over -- and we’re still 12 weeks away from the first release date!

Cheers
Chris Malone

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2002 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

Is the Goldfinger CD with the 4 extra tracks from the U.K. LP the complete score?


No, it is not. It's still missing the music at the end when Bond is going to meet the President. I don't know if there is anything else beyond that missing.

Neil

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2002 - 12:10 AM   
 By:   Geoffers   (Member)



No, it is not. It's still missing the music at the end when Bond is going to meet the President. I don't know if there is anything else beyond that missing.

Neil


There is also some banjo music as we are introduced to Goldfinger's racing horse stud farm. Only about 30 seconds, but I liked it. Guitarist Vic Flick told me he not only played it but also wrote it!

 
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