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 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

I hope Clement Fontaine continues issuing old Decca LP presentations on the digital format. I wonder,however,if he decided to do this as a response to Kritzerland's plan to deal with that company's LP holdings in the future. The one I want the most is Tiomkin's RETURN TO PARADISE.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

I hope Clement Fontaine continues issuing old Decca LP presentations on the digital format. I wonder,however,if he decided to do this as a response to Kritzerland's plan to deal with that company's LP holdings in the future. The one I want the most is Tiomkin's RETURN TO PARADISE.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

I still see no lossless option for these releases, though frown

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

I hope Clement Fontaine continues issuing old Decca LP presentations on the digital format. I wonder,however,if he decided to do this as a response to Kritzerland's plan to deal with that company's LP holdings in the future. The one I want the most is Tiomkin's RETURN TO PARADISE.



Cody, are you saying Kritzerland plan to issue the Decca LPs on CDs? Did I miss this news?

I sure hope it's true. I would start with Rozsa's A TIME TO LOVE AND A TIME TO DIE! smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2015 - 9:44 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

This is an interesting development from DC.

Bandwidth and electricity costs usually prevent downloads from being cheaper than CDs - contrary to the popular belief - but in a case like this the label is so small it may not make much difference, especially if they have "effective digital distribution" as the owner says. I can see downloads being a preferred choice. However, I wonder if this isn't also a situation where the nature of their extremely small business may force them to discontinue certain downloads if they don't sell. Expenses always need to be justified. If the download is removed and there are no OOP discs, where is the album then available?

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2015 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   The Thing   (Member)

This is an interesting development from DC.

Bandwidth and electricity costs usually prevent downloads from being cheaper than CDs - contrary to the popular belief - but in a case like this the label is so small it may not make much difference, especially if they have "effective digital distribution" as the owner says. I can see downloads being a preferred choice. However, I wonder if this isn't also a situation where the nature of their extremely small business may force them to discontinue certain downloads if they don't sell. Expenses always need to be justified. If the download is removed and there are no OOP discs, where is the album then available?




Presumably if they utilised iTunes or Amazon etc, the infrastructure is already in place, and the label just gets a cut of the revenue when a title is downloaded.

I would imagine the costs you mentioned above would be more relevant if they were to be setting up their own proprietary system to run themselves.

I guess that's also the difference between being able to offer downloads in the lossless format or not, i.e. you have to go along with whatever your chosen provider offers.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2015 - 6:59 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I used to love my physical media and buying CDs but lately now that everything is converted to FLAC format on the computer and the booklet scanned when I get it, there is little distinction between a lossless file purchased as a download and a CD. This has especially been reinforced when I decided to toss all of the cases and keep just the discs themselves and the booklets so I can significantly compress the amount of space taken up by the music on the shelves. I very rarely ever listen to my music while reading through the booklet but if I wanted to do that I have scans of the booklets available which to me is the same thing. If I had a choice, I would stop buying CDs entirely but I like the music released by Intrada and Kritzerland among others so I have no choice if I want to purchase the music.

Like others have said, the cost of shipping greatly increases the total amount spent on music in a large way such that I would gladly buy everything in CD quality FLAC downloads if it was available. And, I listen to my music through my tower speakers at home and if they are not available through my Sennheiser headphones so I rarely listen to music through low quality headphones just because it is digital.


I use J-River media server to stream my lossless tunes to my high end receiver and speakers. I also pay for a legit backup cloud service as well as backing up on a physical drive AND CD-Rs when I have the time unless I have the physical CD which is filed away. So there is never going to be a way for me to lose this music as the service I use for backing in the cloud is used by every company on earth AND the CIA. To me, that seems quite secure.

I wish people wouldn't denigrate those of us who listen this way. I don't denigrate CDs as I still enjoy them as well. It all depends on the options I am being offered. Sometimes, I want it right now and in the case of some Mancini scores on HDtracks, I bought some of them to hear right now in glorious 24 bit.

In the end, I buy music to enjoy. I always have. To me I am a fan of the music not a "collector". To me a collector is somebody who buys something to admire on a shelf. A fan is somebody who is active and wants to hear it, dissect it, immerse themselves in it.

No offense to anybody here. I just tire of the digital is lame because I can't hold it in my hands blah blah argument. I am no worse a fan than anybody here for liking lossless digital. To me, having a folder available through my receiver to play 10s of thousands of lossless tracks at the click of a remote is exciting and keeps life interesting for me.

Just my 2 cents. Not meant to disparage anybody.


Who's your cloud provider mr. Popular ?

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2015 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Presumably if they utilised iTunes or Amazon etc, the infrastructure is already in place, and the label just gets a cut of the revenue when a title is downloaded.

I would imagine the costs you mentioned above would be more relevant if they were to be setting up their own proprietary system to run themselves.


I would think so as well. However, as you said earlier, you get a really dismal cut of the sales when you go with the big names. Literally pennies on the dollar. I checked DC's site and they're working with Archambault.ca, 7digital.com, Google Play, Deezer, Spotify, Rdio and iTunes. As some of those are pretty obscure, hopefully they'll get bigger pieces to balance out the smaller pieces. The good part is that their customer base may seek out those obscure sites just for the DC titles, especially if they want options (like lossless) those sites might one day offer. I wish them luck.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2015 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Additional titles (both unexpected and very welcome!) have been added to Disques Cinémusique's digital-only lineup. smile

  • Michel Magne's Le Gorille a mordu l’archevêque
  • Du Mouron pour les petits oiseaux by Georges Garvarentz
  • 1962's Les sept péchés capitaux (aka The Seven Deadly Sins) by Legrand, Pierre Jansen, etc.



    I never realized there were EPs on "The Seven Deadly Sins".



    OnyaBirri should loves this cover image: a naked Eve with her pet serpent! wink

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     Posted:   Sep 6, 2015 - 7:48 AM   
     By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

    Additional titles (both unexpected and very welcome!) have been added to Disques Cinémusique's digital-only lineup. smile

    Why in any way unexpected?
    It's exactly the sort of thing which I have tried to describe in my posting above and which I have indeed expected. You will of course now get a lot of these French EPs from Philips, Barclay, Ducretet Thomson etc. in the near future from DCM as digital downloads - nothing else than vinyl rips. And these will be mainly those French EPs released until 1963 because these are now in the public domain both in Europe and in Canada so that DCM doesn't have to pay anything for them. Very cheap to do for them. It's just as if any private collector would make such old EPs available as digital download on Amazon, iTunes etc.
    So no surprise at all for someone who is already for a long time familiar with what was once released in France during the early 60s on such EPs.

     
     
     Posted:   Sep 6, 2015 - 8:53 AM   
     By:   slint   (Member)

    The BnP label already has 100+ soundtrack EPs from the pre-1964 era on QuBuz, usually from mint vinyls in lossless quality. So no need for the low quality Cinémusique releases.

     
     
     Posted:   Sep 6, 2015 - 9:17 AM   
     By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

    All of these BnF releases are even available here on Amazon Germany.

    For example LES SEPT PÊCHÉS CAPITAUX:
    http://www.amazon.de/capitaux-Original-Picture-Soundtrack-Version/dp/B00M0ZRRNQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1441553765&sr=1-2&keywords=7+peches+capitaux

    Or BABETTE S'EN VA-T-EN GUERRE:
    http://www.amazon.de/Babette-Original-Picture-Soundtrack-Version/dp/B00NPWFIZM/ref=sr_1_2?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1441553161&sr=1-2&keywords=babette+guerre

    Or DU MOURON POUR LES PETITS OISEAUX:
    http://www.amazon.de/oiseaux-Original-Picture-Soundtrack-Version/dp/B00M1MUQ22/ref=sr_1_1?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1441553407&sr=1-1&keywords=du+mouron

    Or LE GORILLE A MORDU L'ARCHEVÊQUE:
    http://www.amazon.de/Gorille-mordu-larchev%C3%AAque-Mono-Version/dp/B00MGXQR9C/ref=sr_1_1?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1441553966&sr=1-1&keywords=gorille+mordu

    Therefore all of these DCM digital downloads are completely unnecessary.

     
     
     Posted:   Sep 6, 2015 - 11:41 AM   
     By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

    Why in any way unexpected?
    It's exactly the sort of thing which I have tried to describe in my posting above and which I have indeed expected. You will of course now get a lot of these French EPs from Philips, Barclay, Ducretet Thomson etc... So no surprise at all for someone who is already for a long time familiar with what was once released in France during the early 60s on such EPs.


    Hi, Stefan.

    While you have been anticipating items such as these, I haven't been expecting them.
    Even though I'm aware that DC is offering rips of French EPs, I still don't know which composers and/or titles are forthcoming. I was not expecting a Garvarentz title to be issued so soon after DC released Le Rat D'Amerique only about 4 months ago.
    All of 2014 saw no Garvarentz album since Music Box did The Corrupt Ones/Killer Force in 2013.
    Now in 2015, we get 3 Garvarentz titles offered within a 5-month period. It's a surprise to me - but a pleasant surprise.
    Knowing there is such a small audience for early 1960s French film music, I am not truly expecting a large volume of EP programs due to the lack of current consumer interest in this type of music.
    Soundtrack collectors today want Danny Elfman's Batman - not Pierre Jansen.

    [Not one FSMer even commented on my R.I.P. thread on Jansen]

     
     
     Posted:   Sep 6, 2015 - 11:44 AM   
     By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

    Thanks for the links to these BnF offerings.
    I've not heard of BnF (Bande originale de Film) prior to today.

     
     Posted:   Sep 6, 2015 - 11:59 AM   
     By:   Anabel Boyer   (Member)

    I've not heard of BnF (Bande originale de Film) prior to today.

    "BnF" stands for "Bibliothèque Nationale de France" (National Library of France) :

    http://editions.bnf.fr/

     
     
     Posted:   Sep 6, 2015 - 12:05 PM   
     By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

    Thanks, Anabel.

     
     
     Posted:   Sep 6, 2015 - 3:10 PM   
     By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

    While you have been anticipating items such as these, I haven't been expecting them.
    Knowing there is such a small audience for early 1960s French film music, I am not truly expecting a large volume of EP programs due to the lack of current consumer interest in this type of music.
    Soundtrack collectors today want Danny Elfman's Batman - not Pierre Jansen.
    [Not one FSMer even commented on my R.I.P. thread on Jansen]


    I had also wondered that no one commented on the death of Pierre Jansen on this board during the last three weeks. Here in Europe - and above all in France - it had become immediately known that he had passed away and there were a number of obituaries in France just one day after his death. You just had to have a look at the French Underscores forum to read the news at once.
    It is totally clear that the audience for his scores nowadays has become very small. So you can imagine how few CD copies a label like Saimel may have sold of LES BICHES or Disques Cinemusique of LA DENTELLIÈRE. Of course, this is a very sad fact, but we can now see the consequences as DCM has totally given up releasing something like this on CD. And probably also licensing titles from Sugar. Therefore I wrote above: I don't really think that the future looks bright for the DCM label.
    The situation now becomes even more ridiculous as two digital downloads of the same old French EPs almost compete with each other (DCM + BnF), although worldwide there is only such a small amount of collectors around interested in them. Therefore it gets absurd.
    Also it seems that GDM in Italy who also started their digital download series at the beginning of this year have already given up again. No wonder if one has seen which rather obscure titles (by Usuelli, Rossellini etc.) they have released only as digital download. Almost no one knows these at all, there is no real promotion for them, and how many people will then buy/download them at all? This is such a crazy turn of events now that digital download for such older titles probably won't help very much. The label may almost get no profit from this even if the production costs may be quite cheap.
    On the other hand, CD production is too expensive because there are too few collectors around who may buy them. Just nothing seems to work anymore and this is a real vicious circle..

     
     
     Posted:   Aug 30, 2017 - 3:35 PM   
     By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

    So no CDs anymore from Disques Cinémusique.

    Hhmmm ... this didn't last that long (only 2 years) ...

    ... 3 new CDs (2 albums, that is) from Disques Cinémusique!

    https://www.disquescinemusique.com/

    This double-disc album of music by Maurice Jaubert is culled from a live 1952 French radio broadcast archive recording - conducted by Jean Martinon, no less!



    Francophiles rejoice.

     
     Posted:   Aug 30, 2017 - 4:35 PM   
     By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

    So glad you posted about the Jaubert, ZardozS - couldn't even wait to finish the clips before I purchased. Wonderful find, and the sound clips are surprisingly good - clear, not much audience noise, the music comes through very well.

     
     Posted:   Aug 30, 2017 - 8:00 PM   
     By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

    Hhmmm ... this didn't last that long (only 2 years) ...

    ... 3 new CDs (2 albums, that is) from Disques Cinémusique!


    I wonder if I wasn't right about downloads.

     
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