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 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Yes, yes, YES, YES!! Thank you Lord, thank you Varese Sarabande!! This was on the top 3 of my most wanted Goldsmith scores for expansion. Just listen to that sample of track 10 -- absolutely amazing!

And as I was called another one of those Goldsmith-fanatics who never get enough, so I join the crowd and say: bring on U.S. Marshals and Air Force One in Deluxe treatment as well.


Track 10 -- absolutely amazing? Compared to what? I'm a Goldsmith fan, but give me the truly great stuff like THE BLUE MAX or THE WIND AND THE LION. This CD may be a must-have for some, but for me it would just be another bottle-cap purchase. I think I'll respect Goldsmith in a way he could respect and not collect another bottle-cap.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

I have the unmentionable double CD of that score which has 58 tracks and contains around 90 minutes of music. But it also features 2 source music tracks and seems to have some tracks doubled. Can anyone who also has that unmentionable thing tell me, how much score there is actually on it?
The new Varese CD seems to have around of 73 minutes of score.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Approximately 15 minutes of alternates. The new Varese Club CD should be all of the score minus alternates.


This is one of the few Goldsmith scores I just don't like.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

When I get home from work, I'm gonna listen to that track 10 sample.
If it sounds like your typical 90's Jerry action/suspense licks, I'm crackin' skulls!!

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

When I get home from work, I'm gonna listen to that track 10 sample.
If it sounds like your typical 90's Jerry action/suspense licks, I'm crackin' skulls!!


Then you better start crackin!

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

For me it's not a matter of not liking this score, but more an admitting that this represents late-career Goldsmith doing his more-than-competent, far better than the average film composer, but hardly inspired genius job for a movie I very much doubt he personally cared for. Therefore, for me, it amounts to a "meh" listening experience to a score for a movie I saw when it came out but is now fast fading from memory, and when I've caught parts of it on satellite, haven't bothered watching much of. I should also say I'm over 55, so in general films for me from the past twenty years or so are mostly "meh."
BUT, if you like this score and the movie, good for you and enjoy this CD, but for me, I really wish Varese would restore/remaster some of the greater Goldsmith scores they've released in the past.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Yes, yes, YES, YES!! Thank you Lord, thank you Varese Sarabande!! This was on the top 3 of my most wanted Goldsmith scores for expansion. Just listen to that sample of track 10 -- absolutely amazing!

And as I was called another one of those Goldsmith-fanatics who never get enough, so I join the crowd and say: bring on U.S. Marshals and Air Force One in Deluxe treatment as well.


Track 10 -- absolutely amazing? Compared to what? I'm a Goldsmith fan, but give me the truly great stuff like THE BLUE MAX or THE WIND AND THE LION. This CD may be a must-have for some, but for me it would just be another bottle-cap purchase. I think I'll respect Goldsmith in a way he could respect and not collect another bottle-cap.


I think we've found Our American Thor, even though I suppose I agree what what he's saying here.

Executive Decision is definitely a been-there, done-that in terms of Goldsmith militaristic action scores, and it's a baffling...decision to release this score now, over so many others in Varese's vast catalog that are more deserving. Still, when it hits, it hits hard, and runs rings around their new releases these days. "The Sleeper" is a fantastic cue in the film, even when it resorts to third-rate Total Recall.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

Executive Decision is definitely a been-there, done-that in terms of Goldsmith militaristic action scores, and it's a baffling...decision to release this score now, over so many others in Varese's vast catalog that are more deserving.

It's not baffling at all. This month the film turns 20 years old.

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)



Track 10 -- absolutely amazing? Compared to what? I'm a Goldsmith fan, but give me the truly great stuff like THE BLUE MAX or THE WIND AND THE LION. This CD may be a must-have for some, but for me it would just be another bottle-cap purchase. I think I'll respect Goldsmith in a way he could respect and not collect another bottle-cap.


Why does it have to be compared to anything? Can it be amazing to some folks on its own terms? Personally I'm glad I don't have to choose. It's no Wind and the Lion or Blur Max, but I'll take them all. ED isn't my favorite Goldsmith by a long shot, but it's a highly respectable work that Golesmith clearly put a lot of work into.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)



Track 10 -- absolutely amazing? Compared to what? I'm a Goldsmith fan, but give me the truly great stuff like THE BLUE MAX or THE WIND AND THE LION. This CD may be a must-have for some, but for me it would just be another bottle-cap purchase. I think I'll respect Goldsmith in a way he could respect and not collect another bottle-cap.


Why does it have to be compared to anything? Can it be amazing to some folks on its own terms? Personally I'm glad I don't have to choose. It's no Wind and the Lion or Blur Max, but I'll take them all. ED isn't my favorite Goldsmith by a long shot, but it's a highly respectable work that Golesmith clearly put a lot of work into.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

It's not baffling at all. This month the film turns 20 years old.

An anniversary that maybe six people in the world are aware of. I truly doubt this had anything to do with the decision.

I'm with Roger – this isn't in my top ten, or even top fifty, Goldsmith scores (one man's opinion), but it does the trick, and I'm interested to hear this new CD.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I think we've found Our American Thor, even though I suppose I agree what what he's saying here.

I wish I knew what that means, because I'm not sure if I've just been insulted -- but I really don't care.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

For me it's not a matter of not liking this score, but more an admitting that this represents late-career Goldsmith doing his more-than-competent, far better than the average film composer, but hardly inspired genius job for a movie I very much doubt he personally cared for.

I would suggest Goldsmith personally cared for a relatively low percentage of the films he scored throughout his career.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)



Track 10 -- absolutely amazing? Compared to what? I'm a Goldsmith fan, but give me the truly great stuff like THE BLUE MAX or THE WIND AND THE LION. This CD may be a must-have for some, but for me it would just be another bottle-cap purchase. I think I'll respect Goldsmith in a way he could respect and not collect another bottle-cap.


Why does it have to be compared to anything? Can it be amazing to some folks on its own terms? Personally I'm glad I don't have to choose. It's no Wind and the Lion or Blur Max, but I'll take them all. ED isn't my favorite Goldsmith by a long shot, but it's a highly respectable work that Golesmith clearly put a lot of work into.


Why does it have to be compared to anything? (Anything being other Goldsmith scores, of course.)

Answer: BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU JUDGE ITS WORTH!

Do I really have to explain that? Wow!

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

For me it's not a matter of not liking this score, but more an admitting that this represents late-career Goldsmith doing his more-than-competent, far better than the average film composer, but hardly inspired genius job for a movie I very much doubt he personally cared for.

I would suggest Goldsmith personally cared for a relatively low percentage of the films he scored throughout his career.


I've read he didn't personally care for most of the people he worked with, so I'm sure that's very true.

I just recently watched a video of him being interviewed by Jon Burlingame, where he's asked what he thought of "The Man From U.N.C.L.E." when he created its theme and scored the pilot. He thought it was silly!

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

It's not baffling at all. This month the film turns 20 years old.

An anniversary that maybe six people in the world are aware of. I truly doubt this had anything to do with the decision.


Even if that's true I'm sure that the anniversary came into consideration as to when they should release the score.

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I would suggest Goldsmith personally cared for a relatively low percentage of the films he scored throughout his career.

It's interesting. After Executive Decision, Goldsmith scored Baird's next two films - US Marshalls and Star Trek Nemesis - so he must have enjoyed the process/relationship sufficiently (when he fell out of love with The Mummy he never worked with Stephen Sommers again, for example).

I recall an old interview with Don Davis who had recently worked with Joel Silver on the Matrix films. It was put to him that Goldsmith was just about to embark on Silver's latest movie - Executive Decision. Davis commented that Silver would work him hard to get exactly what he wanted, or words to that effect. So I'm guessing Silver was a strong creative influence on this score.

I suspect that Goldsmith was challenged by writing a score that worked hard but stayed under the radar. He might have found that challenge pleasurable/fulfilling. Who knows.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Pure 90's Goldsmith. It was simpler times for the Master. Some hits and misses. But certainly not a total wash.

 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Even if that's true I'm sure that the anniversary came into consideration as to when they should release the score.

Not to be argumentative (I say argumentatively), but if so, why not even mention it in the sales blurb?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2016 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)



Track 10 -- absolutely amazing? Compared to what? I'm a Goldsmith fan, but give me the truly great stuff like THE BLUE MAX or THE WIND AND THE LION. This CD may be a must-have for some, but for me it would just be another bottle-cap purchase. I think I'll respect Goldsmith in a way he could respect and not collect another bottle-cap.

Why does it have to be compared to anything? Can it be amazing to some folks on its own terms? Personally I'm glad I don't have to choose. It's no Wind and the Lion or Blur Max, but I'll take them all. ED isn't my favorite Goldsmith by a long shot, but it's a highly respectable work that Golesmith clearly put a lot of work into.

Why does it have to be compared to anything? (Anything being other Goldsmith scores, of course.)

Answer: BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU JUDGE ITS WORTH!

Do I really have to explain that? Wow!



Completely disagree. One can appreciate something without the need to compare it to anything. Unless it's a competition, which I don't see why it has to be in this case.

 
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