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Apr 3, 2016 - 10:07 AM
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cody1949
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There's two kinds of collectors: those who collect everything, and the pleasure collector. I dont think you can fault people in either category.
That's essentially what it comes down to. I'm primarily a 60s and 70s person with respect to film and TV scores, and I can still be a bit picky in those decades. There are some composers of whom I buy everything released, with Mandel being one of them. FSM's trio of Mandel scores and Intrada's Escape to Witch Mountain are the albums that resonate best with me so far.
I understand Bruce's concerns, however. It appears that interest in this stuff is quickly declining, and that is unfortunate for both the labels and customers like us who love these things.
Exactly. And I'm not faulting anyone for anything - I'm fascinated by it, that's all. Because I have to tell you, five years ago people WERE buying everything and that included Golden Age, whatever it was. Why do you think labels are moving into the 1990s and 2000s now? Because they know what Golden Age and even the early Silver Age stuff sells. That simply wasn't the case five years ago or maybe even three years ago, but it's certainly the case now. I learned a good and fine lesson from the Glenn Miller soundtracks. I was too nervous to lower the number we did, but had I gone with my first instinct and done 750 rather than 1000 and charged 39.98 rather than 29.98, we a) would have sold out very quickly, and b) actually made some profit. Because those collectors
(especially the Miller people) don't care about the cost - they want the music. Yes, there are less of them but you have to sell less when you charge more and really limit the limitation number. Lesson learned.
But the other lesson learned is I would not have done opt-outs other than for the shows had I known exactly what a pain it was going to be to keep track of it - no one here has a clew how crazy that gets. I know we would have raised less dough, but in the end with all the extra hours we've had to put in on keeping the opt-outs and ins straight, it pretty well evens itself out. 
I would gladly pay $39.95 if that's what it would take to get Victor Young ,volume 3. I kid you not.
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Apr 3, 2016 - 10:44 AM
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PFK
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There's two kinds of collectors: those who collect everything, and the pleasure collector. I dont think you can fault people in either category.
That's essentially what it comes down to. I'm primarily a 60s and 70s person with respect to film and TV scores, and I can still be a bit picky in those decades. There are some composers of whom I buy everything released, with Mandel being one of them. FSM's trio of Mandel scores and Intrada's Escape to Witch Mountain are the albums that resonate best with me so far.
I understand Bruce's concerns, however. It appears that interest in this stuff is quickly declining, and that is unfortunate for both the labels and customers like us who love these things.
Exactly. And I'm not faulting anyone for anything - I'm fascinated by it, that's all. Because I have to tell you, five years ago people WERE buying everything and that included Golden Age, whatever it was. Why do you think labels are moving into the 1990s and 2000s now? Because they know what Golden Age and even the early Silver Age stuff sells. That simply wasn't the case five years ago or maybe even three years ago, but it's certainly the case now. I learned a good and fine lesson from the Glenn Miller soundtracks. I was too nervous to lower the number we did, but had I gone with my first instinct and done 750 rather than 1000 and charged 39.98 rather than 29.98, we a) would have sold out very quickly, and b) actually made some profit. Because those collectors
(especially the Miller people) don't care about the cost - they want the music. Yes, there are less of them but you have to sell less when you charge more and really limit the limitation number. Lesson learned.
But the other lesson learned is I would not have done opt-outs other than for the shows had I known exactly what a pain it was going to be to keep track of it - no one here has a clew how crazy that gets. I know we would have raised less dough, but in the end with all the extra hours we've had to put in on keeping the opt-outs and ins straight, it pretty well evens itself out.
I would gladly pay $39.95 if that's what it would take to get Victor Young ,volume 3. I kid you not.
Cody, I was going to bring this up and once in the past I did mention this and a few fans got a bit angry with me.
This is just an idea. What if Bruce made 500, 750 etc. copies of Victor Young Volume 3 and charged say $24.95, $29.95 or?
Hard to say what would happen but maybe it would just work and Victor Young Volume 3 might show a profit!
Isn't it worth it to pay another $5 or $10 per Golden Age CD? Say you bought 6 Golden Age CDs in a year at $24.95. That's means you only paid $30 more for the entire year! That's an average of only $2.50 per month!
Which would you rather have? Victor Young Volume 3 at $24.95 (etc.) or ........
NO Victor Young Volume 3 at all!
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Apr 3, 2016 - 11:03 AM
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PFK
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I would gladly pay $39.95 if that's what it would take to get Victor Young ,volume 3. I kid you not.
Me too. And yes, I would tick "I want everything", jazz, orchestral, big band, or else. It doesn't mean I'll order all right now, sometimes it takes years to get to the bottom of my want list. But given the small numbers of Golden/Silver Age releases in the last year, I'll certainly order them now.
And it's not a question of age. I like Golden Age/Silver Age soundtracks but I wasn't even born at that time and I haven't seen most of those movies. It is simply because the music is better.
A YOUNG fan who likes Golden and Silver Age CDs!
Slint, we need 2,000 clones of you!
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Apr 3, 2016 - 12:26 PM
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cody1949
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I would gladly pay $39.95 if that's what it would take to get Victor Young ,volume 3. I kid you not.
Me too. And yes, I would tick "I want everything", jazz, orchestral, big band, or else. It doesn't mean I'll order all right now, sometimes it takes years to get to the bottom of my want list. But given the small numbers of Golden/Silver Age releases in the last year, I'll certainly order them now.
And it's not a question of age. I like Golden Age/Silver Age soundtracks but I wasn't even born at that time and I haven't seen most of those movies. It is simply because the music is better.
A YOUNG fan who likes Golden and Silver Age CDs!
Slint, we need 2,000 clones of you!
Bruce , give us a multi-disc set of Alfred Newman non-musical shorter scores, including THE GUNFIGHTER,and I will happily fork over $59.95. Please don't abandon your original golden and silver age supporters. Just raise the prices and cut down on the number of CD's issued. I am totally serious. Have you considered Sol Kaplan's WAY OF A GAUCHO ? I am sure there are still many Fox golden age dramatic, adventure,and western scores that still could be done .
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It's funny that so many associate Johnny Mandel with jazz… my first exposure to his music were his militaristic scores for M*A*S*H and The Last Detail.
MASH ost was military?
I have bought ALL of Kritzerland's Golden Age CDs and most from the 60s. Have bought some from the 70s. I would like to buy still more but for some of us we just can't afford to buy all that interest us. Money might be a problem with Golden Age fans who are now retired.
I'm surprised that Victor Young Vol. 2 had many opt-outs. It's a beautiful CD! I guess if Victor Young scored a 90s horror film with a bunch of noise it would sell out. So it goes with the younger fans.
So when Bruce's HANGOVER SQUARE sells out, that's normal, but when his VICTOR YOUNG V2 doesnt sell well or indiegogo donors opt out, it's the end of the world.
Instead of speculating over and over, why not ask the donors?
Okay, although I'm sure you don't really mean it that way, you're now bordering on the offensive and that should probably stop right about now. I have not said it's the end of the world, I have said I found it fascinating, which I do. I'm thankful for all our donors but am surprised at who opts out of what - there's no crime in being surprised or fascinated, nor does it require a survey of the donors. Seriously.
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I would gladly pay $39.95 if that's what it would take to get Victor Young ,volume 3. I kid you not.
Me too. And yes, I would tick "I want everything", jazz, orchestral, big band, or else. It doesn't mean I'll order all right now, sometimes it takes years to get to the bottom of my want list. But given the small numbers of Golden/Silver Age releases in the last year, I'll certainly order them now.
And it's not a question of age. I like Golden Age/Silver Age soundtracks but I wasn't even born at that time and I haven't seen most of those movies. It is simply because the music is better.
A YOUNG fan who likes Golden and Silver Age CDs!
Slint, we need 2,000 clones of you!
Bruce , give us a multi-disc set of Alfred Newman non-musical shorter scores, including THE GUNFIGHTER,and I will happily fork over $59.95. Please don't abandon your original golden and silver age supporters. Just raise the prices and cut down on the number of CD's issued. I am totally serious. Have you considered Sol Kaplan's WAY OF A GAUCHO ? I am sure there are still many Fox golden age dramatic, adventure,and western scores that still could be done .
I don't know why we always jump to the conclusion that because I say something hasn't sold well that that means I'm abandoning our Golden Age fans. It means I think twice about certain projects that lose money - most don't and that's why I continue to do them. I don't know how loudly I have to say it, but here it is again - we have a lot of Fox material coming - it doesn't come quickly, but it comes.
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Apr 3, 2016 - 4:07 PM
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Last Child
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It's funny that so many associate Johnny Mandel with jazz… my first exposure to his music were his militaristic scores for M*A*S*H and The Last Detail.
MASH ost was military?
I have bought ALL of Kritzerland's Golden Age CDs and most from the 60s. Have bought some from the 70s. I would like to buy still more but for some of us we just can't afford to buy all that interest us. Money might be a problem with Golden Age fans who are now retired.
I'm surprised that Victor Young Vol. 2 had many opt-outs. It's a beautiful CD! I guess if Victor Young scored a 90s horror film with a bunch of noise it would sell out. So it goes with the younger fans.
So when Bruce's HANGOVER SQUARE sells out, that's normal, but when his VICTOR YOUNG V2 doesnt sell well or indiegogo donors opt out, it's the end of the world.
Instead of speculating over and over, why not ask the donors?
Okay, although I'm sure you don't really mean it that way, you're now bordering on the offensive and that should probably stop right about now. I have not said it's the end of the world, I have said I found it fascinating, which I do. I'm thankful for all our donors but am surprised at who opts out of what - there's no crime in being surprised or fascinated, nor does it require a survey of the donors. Seriously.
Bruce, I'm not sure what you're offended by. I was responding to other people's suggestion (you didnt suggest it) that the pool of Golden Age fans had suddenly dried up. Noone can tell this simply based on sales, given that your had a recent GA release sell out. I hope you werent offended that I suggested taking a poll, as I think it would be interesting.
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Apr 3, 2016 - 5:20 PM
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PFK
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I would gladly pay $39.95 if that's what it would take to get Victor Young ,volume 3. I kid you not.
Me too. And yes, I would tick "I want everything", jazz, orchestral, big band, or else. It doesn't mean I'll order all right now, sometimes it takes years to get to the bottom of my want list. But given the small numbers of Golden/Silver Age releases in the last year, I'll certainly order them now.
And it's not a question of age. I like Golden Age/Silver Age soundtracks but I wasn't even born at that time and I haven't seen most of those movies. It is simply because the music is better.
A YOUNG fan who likes Golden and Silver Age CDs!
Slint, we need 2,000 clones of you!
Bruce , give us a multi-disc set of Alfred Newman non-musical shorter scores, including THE GUNFIGHTER,and I will happily fork over $59.95. Please don't abandon your original golden and silver age supporters. Just raise the prices and cut down on the number of CD's issued. I am totally serious. Have you considered Sol Kaplan's WAY OF A GAUCHO ? I am sure there are still many Fox golden age dramatic, adventure,and western scores that still could be done .
I don't know why we always jump to the conclusion that because I say something hasn't sold well that that means I'm abandoning our Golden Age fans. It means I think twice about certain projects that lose money - most don't and that's why I continue to do them. I don't know how loudly I have to say it, but here it is again - we have a lot of Fox material coming - it doesn't come quickly, but it comes.
Thanks for the encouraging words Bruce.
More Golden and Silver Age Fox! I'll buy them ALL!
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MASH ost was military?
Not the soundtrack album itself, but the score, such as the dedication scroll, the jeep ride to camp, the football game…
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It's funny that so many associate Johnny Mandel with jazz… my first exposure to his music were his militaristic scores for M*A*S*H and The Last Detail.
MASH ost was military?
I have bought ALL of Kritzerland's Golden Age CDs and most from the 60s. Have bought some from the 70s. I would like to buy still more but for some of us we just can't afford to buy all that interest us. Money might be a problem with Golden Age fans who are now retired.
I'm surprised that Victor Young Vol. 2 had many opt-outs. It's a beautiful CD! I guess if Victor Young scored a 90s horror film with a bunch of noise it would sell out. So it goes with the younger fans.
So when Bruce's HANGOVER SQUARE sells out, that's normal, but when his VICTOR YOUNG V2 doesnt sell well or indiegogo donors opt out, it's the end of the world.
Instead of speculating over and over, why not ask the donors?
Okay, although I'm sure you don't really mean it that way, you're now bordering on the offensive and that should probably stop right about now. I have not said it's the end of the world, I have said I found it fascinating, which I do. I'm thankful for all our donors but am surprised at who opts out of what - there's no crime in being surprised or fascinated, nor does it require a survey of the donors. Seriously.
Bruce, I'm not sure what you're offended by. I was responding to other people's suggestion (you didnt suggest it) that the pool of Golden Age fans had suddenly dried up. Noone can tell this simply based on sales, given that your had a recent GA release sell out. I hope you werent offended that I suggested taking a poll, as I think it would be interesting.
Perhaps I misread the tone - if so, apologies.
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Apr 5, 2016 - 12:12 AM
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barryfan1
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What's really fascinating to me are all the opt-outs when we DO do a Golden Age title - funny, huh? Victor Young? Sorry, many, MANY opt-outs - the last volume was a not so hot seller.
I'm also fascinated by people who say that Mandel is somehow a "jazz" composer. Yes, he wrote I Want to Live, but most of his scores have nothing to do with jazz whatsoever, and much less so than Dave Grusin. All you have to do to understand THAT is listen to Mandel's rejected score to Author! Author! which is gorgeous, and then listen to Grusin's "jazzy" score that replaced it. For me, Mandel is one for the ages, a brilliant melodist (how anyone can say there's no melody in the samples we posted is beyond my comprehension) - I mean, this is the man who wrote The Shadow of Your Smile and Emily (his score to that film is stunning, too), and the pop song Where Do You Start, and Close Enough for Love - if those aren't melodies I don't know what are.
I think the labelling comes from the fact that Mandel started as a jazz musician (trumpet) and then later composer, and he was very successful, before branching out into film scores. There also seems to be confusion between jazz and a big band sound. For example, Body Heat is often referred to as a jazz score, but there is actually very little improvisation in it, while the orchestration is of a big band type sound on some cues.
Regardless, I agree with your comments, Mandel is a very fine composer, and any new release of his music is to be welcomed in my opinion, and particularly The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea, which has been one of my most wanted CD's for many many years, so once again, thanks for this fabulous release Bruce!!!
Mike
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For me definitely one of the best releases of the year, so far.
Can't wait to receive my copy.
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