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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7      General Discussion: Elfman Violin concerto premiere    FIRST   PRIOR   1 2 3 4 5    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Jun 12, 2018 - 1:28 PM     By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member) He's just a bit of a luvvie, daaaaarrrrrrling.    Posted:   Jun 12, 2018 - 1:33 PM     By:   daretodream   (Member) Ha! Trying now to imagine Elfman speaking with a lisp. xD    Posted:   Jun 12, 2018 - 1:48 PM     By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member) Not sure why that matters. Some people have different ways of speaking, man.    Posted:   Jun 12, 2018 - 2:18 PM     By:   TM   (Member) He does have a very particular way of clipping the ends of his words. IMO it has to do with being a singer for so many years with INCREDIBLE diction and a VERY theatrical way of speak-singing. Exaggerated to the point of flamboyancy, but if you need to be reminded that flamboyancy has zero to do with your sexuality then that's its own separate issue.    Posted:   Jun 12, 2018 - 2:25 PM     By:   daretodream   (Member) It doesn't matter. It's just an observation, dahling! Yeah, he's a bit flamboyant.    Posted:   Jun 12, 2018 - 2:58 PM     By:   Rameau   (Member) Does anyone else get gay vibes from Elfman? I know he is not gay, but to be perfectly honest, when I was watching different interviews with him (in the beginning), I thought maybe he's in the closet. Well the hair doesn't help, but who cares. Anyone who's knocked out by the Shostakovich first violin concerto is okay with me.    Posted:   Jun 12, 2018 - 3:04 PM     By:   Thor   (Member) Yikes! The piece is more than 40 minutes long, apparently? Bring on the recording already!    Posted:   Jun 12, 2018 - 9:08 PM     By:   TerraEpon   (Member) Yikes! The piece is more than 40 minutes long, apparently? Eh, not overly long. The average runs around 35 minutes, so 42ish is certainly in the ballpark.    Posted:   Aug 28, 2018 - 6:16 PM     By:   ddddeeee   (Member) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvdnAbm91Xw    Posted:   Aug 28, 2018 - 7:06 PM     By:   TerraEpon   (Member) Sweet. Even have plenty of time this evening to listen.    Posted:   Aug 28, 2018 - 8:17 PM     By:   TerraEpon   (Member) The Shostakovich is strong with this one. That said, the person who said it didn't sound like Elfman....I wonder what they were smoking. It's very much Elfman, especially the first movement. Love it too, really really hope it gets a studio recording (or that this performance was properly recorded for an album).    Posted:   Aug 28, 2018 - 11:25 PM     By:   MKRUltra   (Member) Very good. Certainly much, much stronger than most of his film work as of late.    Posted:   Aug 29, 2018 - 1:11 AM     By:   Lokutus   (Member) I think it has already been recorded with that Scottish orchestra    Posted:   Aug 29, 2018 - 3:37 PM     By:   sajrocks   (Member) WOW. where the hell did that come from? was expecting echoes of SERENADA and RABBIT but this is its own beast entirely. maybe some touches of the denser string arrangements in recent film work like ALICE 2 and TULIP FEVER but really in gesture only. definitely a (surprisingly) less rambunctious cousin to shostakovich's 1st. need some repeat viewings/listenings to get my head around it (and hopefully the recording is coming soon so we can hear the middle frequencies better), but for now i'm stunned by his next-level command of the orchestra, the latitude he gives the main performer, the near seamless marriage between the two, and especially by the whole of the second half of the last movement. elfman in hopeful religioso mode? i'll take it!    Posted:   Aug 29, 2018 - 4:21 PM     By:   sajrocks   (Member) Does anyone else get gay vibes from Elfman? off-topic but interesting question. as someone who was desperately searching for gay role models in the late 80s and early 90s at the same time as I was was getting deep into elfman the film composer and discovering elfman's second life as oingo boingo, i never picked up that he was gay. in the countless articles i read they occasionally mentioned the first wife or girlfriends (e.g. screenwriter caroline thompson). since being gay is more about identity than behavior, and since he's never identified as such, we can probably assume he's not gay. regarding his voice, it's as idiosyncratic as his music--the way he elongates long vowels on low end of his cadences and the crispness of his diction (a bit different than his singing voice except for maybe when he's singing jack skellington). i always thought it stemmed from two factors: southern california roots where the accent can be overly round and expressive (the extreme being valley/surfer speak), and his years as frontman/lead singer of both the mystic nights street theater troupe and band oingo boingo. also, i've noticed in interviews he often adopts an impish, slightly mischievous personality that you don't see/hear when he's being filmed candidly (e.g. working with the orchestra on the the POTA music featurette.) there's an interesting documentary called DO I SOUND GAY? that looks at the phenomenon of the "gay voice". the big takeaway is that it's probably best not to assume someone's sexuality based on their voice or mannerisms as it can lead to bias or discrimination.    Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 11:24 AM     By:   Smaug   (Member) Two questions: why a concerto over 40 minutes? I know he had “never heard a violin concerto” in his life..but there is little chance this concert will be embraced by orchestras because Concertos are meant to be 20-25 minutes to fit in the concerto slot of a program. Concertos should never be long. They are by definition show pieces. Fun and pyrotechnics. Question two: how many “orchestrators” were involved in this? It shouldn’t t matter, but if you are dipping your feet into the world of concert music, you need to ask yourself how many orchestrators did Shostakovich, Beethoven, Tchaikovksy, Mendelssohn, Stravinsky and all the other composers of the great Concertos use? The combined total is zero.    Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 11:36 AM     By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member) This was great, and Sandy Cameron is magnetic as ever, even from 100 yards away. The Fantasia movement wasn't really that great, on first listen. I wonder if I'd like the concerto as a whole without watching Sandy Cameron interacting with the audience/orchestra. The interplay was exciting to watch during the more exciting sections.    Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 7:20 PM     By:   TerraEpon   (Member) Two questions: why a concerto over 40 minutes? I know he had “never heard a violin concerto” in his life..but there is little chance this concert will be embraced by orchestras because Concertos are meant to be 20-25 minutes to fit in the concerto slot of a program. Concertos should never be long. They are by definition show pieces. Fun and pyrotechnics. Er....what? Even just going by violin concerti (to say nothing other popular ones in other instruments, especially piano) concerti by Beethoven, Paganini (1), Khachaturian, Sibelius, Shostakovich (1) and Elgar are all 37 minutes or more on the recordings I have. And those are just the popular ones. One can add Paganini 5 and '6', Atterburg, Corigliano (!), Previn (!), Dyson and the 50 minute Bortkiewicz into the mix. To say nothing on non-concerti works for violin and orchestra by Bruch and Taneyev    Posted:   Aug 30, 2018 - 8:07 PM     By:   jb1234   (Member) Two questions: why a concerto over 40 minutes? I know he had “never heard a violin concerto” in his life..but there is little chance this concert will be embraced by orchestras because Concertos are meant to be 20-25 minutes to fit in the concerto slot of a program. Concertos should never be long. They are by definition show pieces. Fun and pyrotechnics. Er....what? Even just going by violin concerti (to say nothing other popular ones in other instruments, especially piano) concerti by Beethoven, Paganini (1), Khachaturian, Sibelius, Shostakovich (1) and Elgar are all 37 minutes or more on the recordings I have. And those are just the popular ones. One can add Paganini 5 and '6', Atterburg, Corigliano (!), Previn (!), Dyson and the 50 minute Bortkiewicz into the mix. To say nothing on non-concerti works for violin and orchestra by Bruch and Taneyev Yeah, the big warhorse concertos are all pretty long. The Brahms is also a 40 minute (gorgeous) monstrosity. Shorter scaled works are more common from 20th century composers but they're not performed nearly as often as the large late-classical and romantic-era pieces.    Posted:   Aug 31, 2018 - 2:21 AM     By:   Thor   (Member) I always assumed concerti were shorter than symphonies, on average. But I guess there are no set time limits for this.     General Discussion: Elfman Violin concerto premiere    << < 1 2 3 4 5  > >>  Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6 7

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