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 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 1:14 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

It's pretty clear their focus isn't on score fans anymore. Instead going for special collections and packages which might attract main stream buyers.

They've had this as part of their line for ages:

https://www.varesesarabande.com/collections/varese-vintage

and remember, they didn't even start out as a soundtrack label!

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 2:55 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

I agree with the sentiments from both sides of the argument on this one. From a business point of view, let us not forget that Varese is one, it makes sense to make as much money as possible from your products. Varese have probably realised that they will not re-coup their investment in some of these CDs, let alone generate a profit. So to maximise their potential income they've decided to release those scores with ones that fans really want. In this case Dreamcatcher. Same with re-releasing some of their DE. Instead of re-releasing Mimic DE for example, Varese decided to put this in with a horror boxset. Again the hope is to generate a profit from scores that might not sell very well with one or two popular ones.

From the fan's point of view this is not good news. If you really wanted Dracula by Beltrami your choice is buying the horror boxset. Likewise if you missed The Fly and Mimic DE. You are now faced with the same choice with Dream catcher. My concern is that this move by Varese will set a precedent where DE will only be released as part of a boxset. Who knows, Varese could well be planning a Goldsmith action boxset containing a few previous DE releases along with the premier release of Air Force One DE. The other issue that has been mentioned is that Varese control the rights for a lot of the scores, so the chances of picking up a score that has got the DE treatment is limited.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 4:12 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

I hope the picture from the OP is not what they are being released in!

Wanna bet?!

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

My concern is that this move by Varese will set a precedent where DE will only be released as part of a boxset.

Not to mention the potential for an increase in individuals seeking "alternative" editions to the ones found in the boxsets -- the unmentionables found in places that shall not be named.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 4:38 AM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

It's a MUCH better bet that King's name will sell a few sets at conventions, etc, whereas Dreamcatcher on it's own wouldn't be nearly as likely to recoup the staggering cost of its licensing.

It's pretty clear their focus isn't on score fans anymore. Instead going for special collections and packages which might attract main stream buyers.


That couldn't be further from the truth. I wish people would stop making it seem the people at Varese sit around in an evil boardroom to screw with fans. Horror fans buy these kinds of sets and many LOVE scores...


Nobody's saying Varese is an evil entity on purpose! We all love Varese very much! This is a milestone label and that's exactly why some express concern.

I believe everybody understand the company must take business decisions. This Set is a perfect example. Problem is nowadays their decisions seem to be oriented to other/wilder kind of consumers and aren't good for score fans, as they used to be. You said it yourself: Horror fans, not score fans.

If an expanded JNH title from his very best period wouldn't be nearly as likely to recoup the staggering cost of its licensing, then I don't know what would. If so, then the future doesn't look any good, if we've really reached the bottom of all this we're screwed indeed! Not by Varese in particular, but by reality.

However, when/if Varese releases this Set AND a separate Dreamcatcher DE in a regular jewel box like the others, then please chime in.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 5:01 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I agree with the sentiments from both sides of the argument on this one. From a business point of view, let us not forget that Varese is one, it makes sense to make as much money as possible from your products. Varese have probably realised that they will not re-coup their investment in some of these CDs, let alone generate a profit. So to maximise their potential income they've decided to release those scores with ones that fans really want. In this case Dreamcatcher. Same with re-releasing some of their DE. Instead of re-releasing Mimic DE for example, Varese decided to put this in with a horror boxset. Again the hope is to generate a profit from scores that might not sell very well with one or two popular ones.

From the fan's point of view this is not good news. If you really wanted Dracula by Beltrami your choice is buying the horror boxset. Likewise if you missed The Fly and Mimic DE. You are now faced with the same choice with Dream catcher. My concern is that this move by Varese will set a precedent where DE will only be released as part of a boxset. Who knows, Varese could well be planning a Goldsmith action boxset containing a few previous DE releases along with the premier release of Air Force One DE. The other issue that has been mentioned is that Varese control the rights for a lot of the scores, so the chances of picking up a score that has got the DE treatment is limited.


Plus no guarantee when boxes sold out some wont be released as separate volumes. Remember 1984 boxed set and newman album of new music. People groaned and moaned of buying set just for Newman original music. Bought boxed set as one or two others wanted. A year or so later it was released separately as cd and digital . No regrets. NOT complaining. Just have to make choices or hope.

Been happening since time immemorial. Look at some rock or other genre boxed sets and their history. Only in set, then not, and then only in new set etc.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   DeputyRiley   (Member)

I get the "business" end of the decision to produce this collection, in as much as it was a business decision -- I just don't like it as a film score fan who's eagerly awaited an expanded score from one of his favorite composers for such a long time. I get it. I know how the business works, I know how the economy works, I know how the world works. I don't begrudge any business or any business owner the effort to boost their income, if that's what they honestly need to do.

I've been a loyal Varese customer for nearly thirty years. It's perfectly reasonable for me to publicly state my complaint about the way this collection precludes me from procuring the single score among the four that I want because of the boxset arrangement. I didn't say a word about D2K last year, but I'm saying something now. Again, I understand the probability of the necessary business model and the probable effort to secure financial safety, but as a devoted and long-standing customer I feel I've earned the right to respectfully set aside the company's financial concerns (re: individual titles and ROI) and simply state my own lament about how the setup of the collection, its availability, and its probable pricing affects me on the most basic level -- on the level that Varese absolutely prioritizes to the #1 slot -- as a pure, die-hard, passionate film score fan who just wants to hear the music.

I think anyone else who feels the same way has the right to express their thoughts openly and publicly, as long as they're respectful and civil, of course -- assuming they, too, are paying customers who are within they're right to voice their thoughts on how the collection/boxset's setup/pricing affects them, or discourages them, or frustrates them, or whatever.

I hope that Dreamcatcher Deluxe does come out individually one day...VARESE -- ARE YOU LISTENING? wink

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 5:34 AM   
 By:   Kim Peterson   (Member)

I'll take a wild guess and say that this set will be priced at $99. And I love film scores and all things King, so it's a pretty sure bet I'll get this.

I can see that price too. Would love to have some of the scores in this set, but I am not paying for a set lumped together with unwanted scores in a cardboard box! We will just have to wait and see if it goes on a 50% off sale when it stops selling like the Chunk of Horror Box!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 5:36 AM   
 By:   Kim Peterson   (Member)

Ditto!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 5:45 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

I like these boutique items. I would never buy some of the scores on the box of horror but I will listen to them now. I like the look of the box! I don't own the King CD's either. Looking forward to this!!
Chris

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

The other issue here is cost. The set will appeal to U.S. buyers more than it will to those outside of the States who face expensive shipping costs and the possibility of custom charges. I suspect Varese have seen a decline in sales to the rest of the world and have decided to re-orientate their business model to focus on the U.S. market in an attempt to off-set the decline in their non-U.S. sales. The downside to such a move is putting music out of the reach of non-U.S. residents like myself. The last time I purchased Varese DE editions was during their 30 per cent sale. With shipping costs so high and a weak Euro, I've had to sit on the bench while Executive Decision sells out. Though that CD could be released again as part of an action box-set along with Air Force One.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Bit surprised at the reaction here. For me this set has everyone a winner. Although folk are talking all about DREAMCATCHER, surely having 2cds of THE STAND is one of the biggest draws. Brilliant stuff from Snuffy and the original CD was a pretty restricted representation of his great music. Also, even if its not expanded, a remastered FIRESTARTER should also be a big draw. The TV SHINING wasn't one of my favourites but it'll be interesting to hear the expansion effect on this music.
Happy Stephen King adaption fan here.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

It's a MUCH better bet that King's name will sell a few sets at conventions, etc, whereas Dreamcatcher on it's own wouldn't be nearly as likely to recoup the staggering cost of its licensing.

It's pretty clear their focus isn't on score fans anymore. Instead going for special collections and packages which might attract main stream buyers.


That couldn't be further from the truth. I wish people would stop making it seem the people at Varese sit around in an evil boardroom to screw with fans. Horror fans buy these kinds of sets and many LOVE scores. Secondly, have you met ANYBODY at the label because I know all of them and they are great people who talk about the fans regularly.

So tired of the negative attacks on this label. /rant off


Actions speaks louder than words. They just released The Haunting. Where's the sound samples? So is it laziness, indifference, or contempt towards their targeted customer base they speak so highly of?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

It's a MUCH better bet that King's name will sell a few sets at conventions, etc, whereas Dreamcatcher on it's own wouldn't be nearly as likely to recoup the staggering cost of its licensing.

It's pretty clear their focus isn't on score fans anymore. Instead going for special collections and packages which might attract main stream buyers.


That couldn't be further from the truth. I wish people would stop making it seem the people at Varese sit around in an evil boardroom to screw with fans. Horror fans buy these kinds of sets and many LOVE scores. Secondly, have you met ANYBODY at the label because I know all of them and they are great people who talk about the fans regularly.

So tired of the negative attacks on this label. /rant off


Actions speaks louder than words. They just released The Haunting. Where's the sound samples? So is it laziness, indifference, or contempt towards their targeted customer base they speak so highly of?


We all know Varese, you all know the drill, there get round to it very soon. wink

It does look a gorgeous set, nice expanded scores, I own 3 of the 4 scores, only Dream Catcher! I've never heard of it, I'll wait & see, listen to Firestarter, The Stand, Dream Catcher before deciding, that said, well done Varese, looks Fab. I'm tempted.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

And Lokutus might complain about the CDs being inside sleeves, but if Varese puts each release here inside its own jewel case the shipping costs will be loads more! And nobody wants that...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

This is indeed an odd collection, even with the King connection to tie them together.

I think both "Firestarter" and the expanded "Dreamcatcher" would sell perfectly well individually. The former has crossover appeal to fans of Tangerine Dream & period synth, and the latter is an often requested expansion by a beloved composer who's still on the A-list.

However, I think "The Stand" and "The Shining" do go together, each being a King miniseries directed by Mick Garris, so I do understand releasing a set of those two.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

The Stand is by WG Snuffy Walden, not Pike.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Personally I would have been a lot more interested in this collection if it focused on primarily orchestral scores.

Hell no!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

The Stand is by WG Snuffy Walden, not Pike.

Thank you, I stand corrected. I'll edit my post to avoid confusion.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2017 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Since THE SHINING was previously only available as a $$$ promo, i thought their would be more excitement for this.

Oh well.
bruce

 
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