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Yes, true, no composer would want to be associated with films like *squints* Academy Award Winning, Golden Globe-nominated, BAFTA-nominated, WGA Award Winning, multiple other critics circles and awards nominations and wins, $255 million grosser Get Out.
Not if they don't want to work for an insultingly low rate they don't. I was called about working on GET OUT myself about two years ago, and the rate they offered was seriously like 1/3 of what I normally earn (for a picture editorial job). The fact that the film was so successful wouldn't have put a single dime more in my pocket. I've heard similar horror stories from many people who have dealt with Blumhouse as well. The company produces a lot of movies on very tiny budgets, and many of them go completely unreleased if Jason Blum doesn't think they're worth it. It's a spray-gun tactic with no guarntees, and I don't blame any artist for saying "no thanks."
There's no way that GLASS won't get a large release with Bruce Willis in it and everything, but I'm convinced the studio is still playing it monstrously cheap in spite of that. But Shyamalan wound up there because after a string of critical and commercial failures (and after years of notorious behavior), Blumhouse was one of the only outfits that would touch him. JNH can make more money scoring some bullshit comedy or virtually anything else than Blumhouse would likely pay him, and not a single person would think less of him for it. My hats off to him for sitting it out (if indeed he was even asked).
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We don't know why Kraemer isn't scoring the new McQuarrie film (I used to know McQuarrie, and I have his email address… but after five or six years of not seeing each other, I don't think I'll ask him!). It's not necessarily indicative of a falling out, or studio interference. We just don't know.
I think we *do* know that Kraemer wanted to score the film, however...so I think that means that *either* a falling out between them *or* interference from someone more powerful than McQuarrie is likely. What else could possibly explain it?
We don't know if Shyamalan and Howard have parted ways; regardless, the Blumhouse budget likely makes him out of Shyamalan's reach right now. I've twice seen Howard at a local Gelson's supermarket, but if I see him again, I don't think I'll ask him!
But supposedly Howard himself commented that he was working on the film in some capacity...so I guess we'll see.
We don't know if Michael Abels wants to score more films. He's in his mid-fifties, and was doing just fine as a concert composer and a music teacher at the New Roads School, which happens to be about two miles from me right now. Think I'm going to drive over and ask him? Well… no!
Well he accepted my friend request on FaceBook...maybe I'll ask him if he has any interest. Obviously he was interested enough to write one score. And if John Corigliano can see his way to writing four film scores, I suspect for any "concert composer" who's written at least one it's a matter of them being asked, and the project being appealing.
There is also this issue: Clearly there is a dearth in Hollywood of film composers who are women or members of ethnic minorities, and it seems to be a systemic problem. Did Michael Abels not score a film until his 50s because of lack of interest, or because of lack of opportunity until Jordan Peele contacted him?
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I think we *do* know that Kraemer wanted to score the film, however...so I think that means that *either* a falling out between them *or* interference from someone more powerful than McQuarrie is likely. What else could possibly explain it?
Well, I'm only tossing out possibilities here, in the spirit of your word "possibly."
It could be just business – Kraemer's agent demanded more for his return than the studio was willing to pay. I've been in that situation with actors and directors – the talent feels they've proven themselves and will no longer work for the money they accepted last time; the studio feels like "If they think they deserve as much as X, let's get X instead!" And often, the situation just becomes too poisonous for any rapprochement to save it.
It could be that Tom Cruise soured on him, for really any reason at all, logical or not. Cruise has the power here (even over his old buddy McQuarrie). I have friends who have worked with Cruise, and he is kept in a bubble and prone to making gut decisions. (I am not at liberty to tell the specific stories.)
Or maybe there's a personal reason – a family issue for Kraemer that prevented it from happening, even though he wanted it to. We know now that the illness of John Powell's wife at least contributed to his disappearance from film scoring for a while. I'm certainly not suggesting the same thing is happening with Kraemer… but you asked "What else could possibly explain it?"
Or else maybe Kraemer got into a drunken brawl with Paramount CEO Jim Gianopulos and disparaged his mother. I mean, I don't know.
Or else it could be exactly what you assume! All I'm saying is, let's not take those assumptions as de facto truth.
Clearly there is a dearth in Hollywood of film composers who are women or members of ethnic minorities, and it seems to be a systemic problem. Did Michael Abels not score a film until his 50s because of lack of interest, or because of lack of opportunity until Jordan Peele contacted him?
That's a very reasonable question, to which I don't have an answer.
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Or else maybe Kraemer got into a drunken brawl with Paramount CEO Jim Gianopulos and disparaged his mother. I mean, I don't know.
I have it on good authority that this is exactly what happened. But Kraemer was already on the outs with Cruise when it was revealed that, in fact, he was Siri Cruise's real father. Maybe Kraemer can go back to hosting Mad Money on CNBC?
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Isnt this a sequel to UNBREAKABLE?
So it's'2' not '3'.
Right?
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Isnt this a sequel to UNBREAKABLE?
So it's'2' not '3'.
Right?
Split also was a sequel to Unbreakable.
Really?
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See, I don't consider that a sequel. That's like saying The Incredible Hulk is a sequel to Iron Man because Robert Downey Jr. shows up at the end. Same universe does not a sequel make.
Now it sounds like Glass will be a sequel to *both* Unbreakable *and* Split.
Yavar
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Give me a break. Shyamalan gave JNH most of his best scoring opportunities out of his entire career. Even when the films left something to be desired, like Lady in the Water.
Indeed.
Also, when we attended one of his concerts recently, JNH spoke highly of Shyamalan. I was not under the impression that he would be reluctant to work with him again.
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The composer is same guy who compose Split.
But JNH says the themes from Unbrekeable are going to appear in the movie
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What Kev said. Choi's got the chops.
Yavar
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