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 Posted:   Aug 22, 2018 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Well we should be thankful that Djawadi wasn't picked for this project.

Well I'm actually quite the fan of Djawadi, so perhaps not the best analogy. I adore his GOT work. big grin

Generally speaking, which composer could match Goldsmith's Mulan?

I'm forever mentioning Bear McCreary.... but also I could see a composer like James Newton Howard working on this, and very well.


Yeah I think JN Howard would bring something to this but I’m also going to give a shout out for Anne Dudley who is criminally overlooked despite writing fantastic scores.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2018 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Motherfucker.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2018 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I see the Cult of Jerry is out in full force. His Mulan was a decent score, but pales next to Menken's 90's output at Disney and I would even say HGW's Sinbad score runs circles around Jerry's Mulan. Excited to see what HGW does!

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2018 - 9:06 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I see the Cult of Jerry is out in full force. His Mulan was a decent score, but pales next to Menken's 90's output at Disney and I would even say HGW's Sinbad score runs circles around Jerry's Mulan. Excited to see what HGW does!

Opinions vary. I never liked he cutesy Menken scores. Too light and delicately scored. Goldsmith brought a rawness, and edge to Disney like we hadn’t heard before. It was composed in his later streamlined years I give you that but the guy couldn’t write a POTA or a North Dragonslayer now could he? The execs would have shit their pants and fired him soon after..

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2018 - 9:24 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I see the Cult of Jerry is out in full force. His Mulan was a decent score, but pales next to Menken's 90's output at Disney and I would even say HGW's Sinbad score runs circles around Jerry's Mulan. Excited to see what HGW does!

Opinions vary. I never liked he cutesy Menken scores. Too light and delicately scored. Goldsmith brought a rawness, and edge to Disney like we hadn’t heard before. It was composed in his later streamlined years I give you that but the guy couldn’t write a POTA or a North Dragonslayer now could he? The execs would have shit their pants and fired him soon after..


Which is my main point...

Though I agree Goldsmith's sounded more "adult" and less whimsical. Could've worked for a life action film. Though I have no objections with Menken's approach.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 12:09 AM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

I see the Cult of Jerry is out in full force. His Mulan was a decent score, but pales next to Menken's 90's output at Disney and I would even say HGW's Sinbad score runs circles around Jerry's Mulan. Excited to see what HGW does!

Can't agree with this. I think Beauty and the Beast is the best score Menken has done and certainly one of the best animated scores of all time. But Mulan is at least on the level of Menken's lesser body of work (Aladdin, Little Mermaid, Pocahontas, etc.).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 12:15 AM   
 By:   Brundlefly   (Member)

A re-recording a la Predators is still possible.

At least we have two chances to get Goldsmith's complete Mulan score. Either celebrating the original's 20th anniversary in 2018 or the remake's release in 2020.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 1:16 AM   
 By:   Drawgoon   (Member)

Working on something that previously had a Goldsmith score sure got the best out of Alan Silvestri back in the days. Hope the sames goes for HGW here and that he delivers his finest work to date. Looking forward to it!

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 3:47 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

A re-recording a la Predators is still possible.



Very unlikely though, very few directors would be brave enough or creative enough to do what Scorsese and Van Sant did in Cape Fear and Psycho. Personally, I always though it was a shame that Petersen didn't ask Badelt to re-record the Maestro's score for the Poseidon, hopefully Intrada might put that right one day.

In terms of other contenders for Mulan, yes JNH would have been an excellent choice as would the other composers that have scored live action remakes of Disney animated films (Debney, Doyle and Elfman).

Well Disney have tried to make original films, Tomorrowland, John Carter and Wrinkle of Time and they were financial disasters for the studio. Disney seems to be able to hit home runs at the box office by re-making animated films / or classic films or buying other studios.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 3:49 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

I see the Cult of Jerry is out in full force. His Mulan was a decent score, but pales next to Menken's 90's output at Disney and I would even say HGW's Sinbad score runs circles around Jerry's Mulan. Excited to see what HGW does!

I also see a new movement emerging on this board, the Cult of Bear. I'm still waiting to be impressed by him.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I see the Cult of Jerry is out in full force. His Mulan was a decent score, but pales next to Menken's 90's output at Disney and I would even say HGW's Sinbad score runs circles around Jerry's Mulan. Excited to see what HGW does!

Can't agree with this. I think Beauty and the Beast is the best score Menken has done and certainly one of the best animated scores of all time. But Mulan is at least on the level of Menken's lesser body of work (Aladdin, Little Mermaid, Pocahontas, etc.).


B&TB used to be my favorite Menken score, but I think I like Pocahontas and HBOND more. I think the others mention are much better than Mulan, richer and diverse. I like Mulan, it's a swell listen, just played it a few days ago. But I think it's pretty much a "one note" score. I wouldn't be against using his theme in the live action film, it worked for the Jungle Book, but I would like to see HGW build on it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I see the Cult of Jerry is out in full force. His Mulan was a decent score, but pales next to Menken's 90's output at Disney and I would even say HGW's Sinbad score runs circles around Jerry's Mulan. Excited to see what HGW does!

Can't agree with this. I think Beauty and the Beast is the best score Menken has done and certainly one of the best animated scores of all time. But Mulan is at least on the level of Menken's lesser body of work (Aladdin, Little Mermaid, Pocahontas, etc.).


B&TB used to be my favorite Menken score, but I think I like Pocahontas and HBOND more. I think the others mention are much better than Mulan, richer and diverse. I like Mulan, it's a swell listen, just played it a few days ago. But I think it's pretty much a "one note" score. I wouldn't be against using his theme in the live action film, it worked for the Jungle Book, but I would like to see HGW build on it.


Are you talking about the score as released on album or the various Oscar promos that went around in early 1999? The score as a whole is tremendous. The album picked good highlights, but there was better writing going on in cues that we only heard on the promos. Stuff like "A Lucky Bug" in particular has some great statements of a few of the themes (and the electronic wuzzly sounds that are actually really effective in the complete score).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

A re-recording a la Predators is still possible.



Very unlikely though, very few directors would be brave enough or creative enough to do what Scorsese and Van Sant did in Cape Fear and Psycho. Personally, I always though it was a shame that Petersen didn't ask Badelt to re-record the Maestro's score for the Poseidon, hopefully Intrada might put that right one day.

In terms of other contenders for Mulan, yes JNH would have been an excellent choice as would the other composers that have scored live action remakes of Disney animated films (Debney, Doyle and Elfman).

Well Disney have tried to make original films, Tomorrowland, John Carter and Wrinkle of Time and they were financial disasters for the studio. Disney seems to be able to hit home runs at the box office by re-making animated films / or classic films or buying other studios.


To be honest, I am kinda of glad that JNH, Debney, Doyle, and Elfman weren't chosen. They are superior as composers to HGW, but they have had plenty of opportunities to score fantasy movies already.

If anything, I wish they picked someone lesser known.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

I see the Cult of Jerry is out in full force. His Mulan was a decent score, but pales next to Menken's 90's output at Disney and I would even say HGW's Sinbad score runs circles around Jerry's Mulan. Excited to see what HGW does!

I also see a new movement emerging on this board, the Cult of Bear. I'm still waiting to be impressed by him.


Battlestar Galactica.

The only collection of work that rivals LOTR in the past 20 years.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I see the Cult of Jerry is out in full force. His Mulan was a decent score, but pales next to Menken's 90's output at Disney and I would even say HGW's Sinbad score runs circles around Jerry's Mulan. Excited to see what HGW does!

I also see a new movement emerging on this board, the Cult of Bear. I'm still waiting to be impressed by him.


Battlestar Galactica.

The only collection of work that rivals LOTR in the past 20 years.


In terms of amount of music written for one series?

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Battlestar Galactica.

The only collection of work that rivals LOTR in the past 20 years.


WHAT? I *love* McCreary's work but Battlestar (for at least the first half) is not among his work that impresses me. And clearly you've never heard LOST or the multitude of themes that develop over the course of that series...

McCreary's best work for TV is Outlander. Maybe by the end of that series you'll be able to say what you did about McCreary rivaling LotR...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Kylo Ren   (Member)

I haven't heard Outlander, just because I have no interest in the show at all, no matter my huge admiration for McCreary.

IMHO the best TV work he ever did was CAPRICA. Absolutely love it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Even if you have no interest in the show, you should try the score releases. The two for season one are particularly strong.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2018 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

Battlestar Galactica.

The only collection of work that rivals LOTR in the past 20 years.


WHAT? I *love* McCreary's work but Battlestar (for at least the first half) is not among his work that impresses me. And clearly you've never heard LOST or the multitude of themes that develop over the course of that series...

McCreary's best work for TV is Outlander. Maybe by the end of that series you'll be able to say what you did about McCreary rivaling LotR...

Yavar


Battlestar Galactica is far more interesting, diverse, and unique than Outlander. I can't think of a sci-fi epic that combines so many musical elements in such a powerful, evocative way. There is the classical, the action, the love, the melancholy, the electronics, the drums, the strings, the horns...

Outlander is very good, but there are better historical/fantasy scores out there with the same style.

Lost is good. But not genre defining good.

 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2018 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • Right now, all I care about is Goldsmith’s original being released in complete form...:-)

    Hollywood synergy powers ACTIVATE! Form of an Intrada CD! Shape of a bestseller!

  • I see the Cult of Jerry is out in full force.

    I also see a new movement emerging on this board, the Cult of Bear.


    Got a thing against cults, do ya? Now step aside, pentagrams don't summon themselves.

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