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 Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

This would also affect the release of old score LPs that were on labels that Sony now controls:

  • Arista
  • Ava
  • Bell
  • BMG
  • Buddah
  • CBS
  • Colgems
  • Columbia
  • Epic
  • Harmony
  • Kama Sutra
  • Mainstream
  • Monument
  • RCA

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     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 1:43 PM   
     By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

    SchiffyM:

    Yes, this is an alarming bit of news, but I do think a little knowledge is a dangerous thing here


    Danger is our middle name.


    Now you're making this whole thing feel kinda sexy.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 1:44 PM   
     By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

    Terrible news. At least a bunch of major scores had gorgeous expansions in the last couple of years.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 1:51 PM   
     By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

    On the bright side, we won't have to deal with the annual release (by someone) of 1967's CASINO ROYALE any more.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 1:51 PM   
     By:   Nono   (Member)

    This would also affect the release of old score LPs that were on labels that Sony now controls:

  • Arista
  • Ava
  • Bell
  • BMG
  • Buddah
  • CBS
  • Colgems
  • Columbia
  • Epic
  • Harmony
  • Kama Sutra
  • Mainstream
  • Monument
  • RCA

    Some are already available in 24 bits / 96 kHz format, like Maurice Jarre's The Professionals and The Night of the Generals :

    https://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/album/the-professionals-maurice-jarre/0886446281179

    https://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/album/the-night-of-the-generals-maurice-jarre/cb7ijqqgqy94y

    So Sony may have some projects for its own labels.

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     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 1:59 PM   
     By:   Spymaster   (Member)

    You can't rely on the continuing interest of any record company or film studio. Which is, of course, why we've had an onslaught of releases over the last few years. Grab 'em while the gates are open!

     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 2:03 PM   
     By:   davefg   (Member)

    James Horner (all of these would be expansions that won't happen anymore because of this)

    1992 - Sneakers
    1994 - Legends Of The Fall
    1995 - Jumanji
    1996 - The Spitfire Grill
    1998 - Deep Impact
    1998 - The Mask Of Zorro
    1999 - Bicentennial Man
    1999 - Freedom Song
    2000 - The Perfect Storm
    2001 - Enemy At The Gates
    2001 - Iris
    2002 - Windtalkers
    2002 - The Four Feathers
    2003 - The Missing
    2005 - The Legend Of Zorro

    and these which are post 2006 or whatever year the whole AFM / royalty issue makes them impossible anyway:

    2010 - The Karate Kid
    2012 - The Amazing Spider-Man
    2015 - Southpaw
    2016 - The Magnificent Seven


    Does his rejected score for Romeo and Juliet fall into this category? Do Sony still maintain the rights for it?

    Other loses, Elfman's two Spider-man scores
    Goldenthal's Cobb, Final Fantasy and Titus.

     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 2:04 PM   
     By:   davefg   (Member)



    Plus, "Hook" had problems and now these problems can't be rectified. And even if something has been issues, if it's sold out, or sells out after this fucking move, now it's can't be re-issued. Sony is taking us back in time to the dark days of releases.


    In regards to HOOK, La La worked with what they had at the time. However, new sources have been found. So the chance of a re-release are gone, yes, which sucks.



    This news is referring to Sony Music (the record company), not Sony Pictures Studios (the film studio). So Sony-owned movies with soundtrack albums NOT on Sony labels would not be affected.

    Lukas


    Okay, but that still affects a ton of titles!

    It explains why La La has been pushing out Sony titles lately, obviously the writing was on the wall....


    What new elements?

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 2:06 PM   
     By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

    Some are already available in 24 bits / 96 kHz format, like Maurice Jarre's The Professionals and The Night of the Generals :

    https://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/album/the-professionals-maurice-jarre/0886446281179

    https://www.qobuz.com/fr-fr/album/the-night-of-the-generals-maurice-jarre/cb7ijqqgqy94y

    So Sony may have some projects for his own labels.



    Interesting. A 24-bit release of THE PROFESSIONALS. I wonder where that came from. I was under the impression that the tapes were lost. The Intrada CD was an LP rip.

    I see on that site that there was a 24-bit download of IS PARIS BURNING? released in 2016. That was originally on Columbia.

     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 2:15 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    nONE OF THOSE SCORES NEED EXPANDING!
    DAMMITT!

    HAVE A NICE DAY!
    smile

     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 2:18 PM   
     By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

    Does it means with the new development that a possible future release is now compromised for the speciality labels except if Sony Music decide do it themselves?

    Yeah, and I think it's extremely unlikely Sony Music decides to license additional music to release complete scores, like our specialty labels have been doing. At best they might do some straight reissues. Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Dances With Wolves were two rare expansions they did, and even those weren't complete until LLL tackled them.

    Yavar

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 2:56 PM   
     By:   Nono   (Member)

    Interesting. A 24-bit release of THE PROFESSIONALS. I wonder where that came from. I was under the impression that the tapes were lost. The Intrada CD was an LP rip.

    I see on that site that there was a 24-bit download of IS PARIS BURNING? released in 2016. That was originally on Columbia.


    It's THE NIGHT OF THE GENERALS which was released by Intrada, THE PROFESSIONALS was actually on Silva Screen (it was a LP rip indeed).

    I was really suprised to see the 24-bit release of THE PROFESSIONALS too.

    I'm pretty sure that Sony has some projects. Actually I hope so.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 3:02 PM   
     By:   Avatarded   (Member)



    Does his rejected score for Romeo and Juliet fall into this category? Do Sony still maintain the rights for it?



    Romeo and Juliet was recorded in England, so the AFM fees don't apply to it but the score is owned by the company who produced the film. There are other factors that prevented an album release beyond the score being unused.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 4:04 PM   
     By:   Spymaster   (Member)

    James Horner (all of these would be expansions that won't happen anymore because of this)

    1992 - Sneakers
    1994 - Legends Of The Fall
    1995 - Jumanji
    1996 - The Spitfire Grill
    1998 - Deep Impact
    1998 - The Mask Of Zorro
    1999 - Bicentennial Man
    1999 - Freedom Song
    2000 - The Perfect Storm
    2001 - Enemy At The Gates
    2001 - Iris
    2002 - Windtalkers
    2002 - The Four Feathers
    2003 - The Missing
    2005 - The Legend Of Zorro

    and these which are post 2006 or whatever year the whole AFM / royalty issue makes them impossible anyway:

    2010 - The Karate Kid
    2012 - The Amazing Spider-Man
    2015 - Southpaw
    2016 - The Magnificent Seven


    Does his rejected score for Romeo and Juliet fall into this category? Do Sony still maintain the rights for it?

    Other loses, Elfman's two Spider-man scores
    Goldenthal's Cobb, Final Fantasy and Titus.


    All of those albums are perfectly fine, content wise. Some are already too long! A few could use serious sound improvements, however, which they now won't get.

     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 4:11 PM   
     By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

    I will say this: if any living composer can push through obstacles and red tape at Sony in spite of this new policy, it's John Williams. If he tells Sony he wants them to work with Mike Mattesino and LLL to put out an expanded edition of one of his scores, I'm betting he's the one guy they won't turn down.

    Yavar

     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 5:04 PM   
     By:   Jeyl   (Member)

    Oh, gods. I hope Blue Thunder isn't controlled by them.

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 5:07 PM   
     By:   Thgil   (Member)

    Welp, this year is officially in the shitter from a film score point of view. Next!

     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 5:18 PM   
     By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

    I will say this: if any living composer can push through obstacles and red tape at Sony in spite of this new policy, it's John Williams. If he tells Sony he wants them to work with Mike Mattesino and LLL to put out an expanded edition of one of his scores, I'm betting he's the one guy they won't turn down.

    Yavar


    "I will make them an offer. One they can not refuse"
    - Johnny " The Bull" Williams

     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 5:41 PM   
     By:   Steve H   (Member)

    How would this affect Varese in-perpetuity titles, and if it does "in perpetuity" is not really "in perpetuity"?
    How do they get in-perpetuity rights that are not in perpetuity? confused

    Why is this video not showing up!

     
     
     Posted:   Feb 7, 2019 - 5:49 PM   
     By:   Bill in Portland Maine   (Member)

    I hope they don't have the rights to James Horner's "Volunteers" or John Williams' "The River." Those are the only two scores left on my must-have-before-I-die list. And if the door is closed on them, I don't like what that portends for my ticker.

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