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 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

I just turned on my computer and saw this release! Yikes! I just ordered it! smile

Wonderful release Bruce.

I am looking forward to the improved sound quality and the expanded Prince of Foxes!

THE GUNFIGHTER ...... Finally! smile ... GREAT main title and .... the trailer music too!

A 24 page booklet too! A great tribute to Nick Redman.

I hope everyone will buy this great Fox Box and support Bruce.

Where is Niall?


I'm here PFK, saving my money which I don't have pots of to throw away on music that I already have for the most part! It's definitely a good box set for those who haven't dipped in for the previous releases. I hope it is a sell-out for Kritzerland.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   gsteven   (Member)

Expanded and remastered PRINCE OF FOXES! Great golden age news!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Dream come true. the missing music for Foxes has been a major obsession.
is the new music also multi track stereo?


Yep!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

hmm... I guess this is especially for those few that don't already have THE BLACK SWAN, five other versions of CAPTAIN FROM CASTILLE and two versions of LOVE IS MANY SPLENDORED THING...

Not sure I am that eager to spend 60 + massive shipping costs to get the CD 4 that only holds some new material frown


Well, we knew there'd be one - just didn't expect it to be first. Every one of these scores sounds better, I only know of one other complete release of Captain from Castile, and Prince of Foxes is majorly expanded.



Yes. Shame on me for expecting something other than just a box full of reissues with only single interesting disc after more than a year since the last interesting Kritzerland release. Maybe I'll just wait until someone reissues it on its own.


Dream on, Cinderella. This was a labor of love and is what it is. And I do believe some would take exception to your "last interesting release" comment. Why is it necessary to come into a thread and be a sourpuss, seriously. What do you get out of it?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Seems that I already know, what Santa will bring me this year big grin

ps bit stupid (?) question - but why Kritzerland's edition of Captain from Castile (disc 1) contain only 9 tracks, while previous edition had 11? Do you simply combined some tracks to longer one?


CD 1 of Castile has eleven tracks - I just mis-typed the list for the site - it happens at my age. The booklet and tray are correct and all the music is there.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Expanded and remastered PRINCE OF FOXES! Great golden age news!

YES INDEED!! HALLELUJAH!

Dream come true. the missing music for Foxes has been a major obsession.
is the new music also multi track stereo?


Yep!


EVEN BETTER!

CD 1 of Castile has eleven tracks - I just mis-typed the list for the site - it happens at my age. The booklet and tray are correct and all the music is there.

Whew that's a relief...I was starting to worry what had happened was an excising of the Vicente Gomez solo guitar stuff, or something. Like how Varese weirdly excised all of Alfred Newman's cues on The Egyptian from their Herrmann box set because Herrmann didn't pen them...like, it's part of the integral fabric of the score, ya know!

Yes. Shame on me for expecting something other than just a box full of reissues with only single interesting disc after more than a year since the last interesting Kritzerland release. Maybe I'll just wait until someone reissues it on its own.

Again, I hear your frustration at having to re-buy stuff with sound improvements for the single disc you want. And I know Kritzerland has cut back on their film music releases over the past year or two, and that's disappointing...

but are you *really* going to stand by that blanket statement and overlook Kritzerland's recent release of Dementia, by George Antheil -- a total 100% premiere, and only the second ever Antheil film score to get a release after The Pride and the Passion half a century ago?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Considering how few Golden Age box sets get a release, and how much of a genius Alfred Newman was, this is a great release. I may have to sell a kidney.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   E-Wan   (Member)

Thank you very much for re-releasing all those wonderful Alfred Newman's scores in better sound quality!

Is there any chance for re-releases of another amazing Alfred Newman's scores from Henry King's movies The Song of Bernadette and Wilson in better sound quality?

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I've never owned any of these Newman titles on disc, so this will be a very welcome purchase for me!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Thank you very much for re-releasing all those wonderful Alfred Newman's scores in better sound quality!

Is there any chance for re-releases of another amazing Alfred Newman's scores from Henry King's movies The Song of Bernadette and Wilson in better sound quality?


A few months ago, I would have told you that Bernadette could only happen though Varese, but then LLL collaborated with them for their recent POTA box set, so I guess it could be possible. The only problem is that unless one of the labels managed to get one or both of them approved before the Disney-Fox merger, it may be a while, if at all, as Disney put a “pause” on the licensing of Fox soundtracks.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Considering how few Golden Age box sets get a release, and how much of a genius Alfred Newman was, this is a great release. I may have to sell a kidney.

It's good you point this out -- I think in some ways it's the third in a recent Golden Age box trilogy: the astounding 4CD Waxman box set from Intrada, followed by the 3CD "Dark Side of Max Steiner" box set from BYU, and now finishing with this great 5CD Alfred Newman set from Kritzerland! Of course I hope this ends up being as much of a "trilogy" as Alien...or The Matrix...or the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books...or better yet Star Wars, haha!

Is there any chance for re-releases of another amazing Alfred Newman's scores from Henry King's movies The Song of Bernadette and Wilson in better sound quality?

I don't know about Wilson's prospects for a remastered re-release (another SAE King/Newman title that could be revisited is Twelve O'Clock High), but The Song of Bernadette is controlled by Varese Sarabande in perpetuity thanks to their two disc wide release of it in the 90s (similar to Raksin's magnum opus Forever Amber, and a bunch of Herrmann titles including scores he wrote for Henry King like King of the Khyber Rifles and Tender Is the Night). Only they have the rights to do it and they seem less interested in the Golden Age than they used to be, sadly. Their last Golden Age release was the mammoth Herrmann at Fox box set over half a decade ago, if I'm not mistaken.

I suppose it's possible Bruce/Kritzerland might be able to sub-license some of those from Varese like LLL did with Planet of the Apes...but with the sales potential of most Golden Age scores now, it seems unlikely that Bruce or anyone would tackle a project with the added costs of licensing from Varese. I hope I'm wrong.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

Considering how few Golden Age box sets get a release, and how much of a genius Alfred Newman was, this is a great release. I may have to sell a kidney.

It's good you point this out -- I think in some ways it's the third in a recent Golden Age box trilogy: the astounding 4CD Waxman box set from Intrada, followed by the 3CD "Dark Side of Max Steiner" box set from BYU, and now finishing with this great 5CD Alfred Newman set from Kritzerland! Of course I hope this ends up being as much of a "trilogy" as Alien...or The Matrix...or the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books...or better yet Star Wars, haha!

Is there any chance for re-releases of another amazing Alfred Newman's scores from Henry King's movies The Song of Bernadette and Wilson in better sound quality?

I don't know about Wilson's prospects for a remastered re-release (another SAE King/Newman title that could be revisited is Twelve O'Clock High), but The Song of Bernadette is controlled by Varese Sarabande in perpetuity thanks to their two disc wide release of it in the 90s (similar to Raksin's magnum opus Forever Amber, and a bunch of Herrmann titles including scores he wrote for Henry King like The Snows of Kilimanjaro, King of the Khyber Rifles, and Tender Is the Night). Only they have the rights to do it and they seem less interested in the Golden Age than they used to be, sadly. Their last Golden Age release was the mammoth Herrmann at Fox box set over half a decade ago, if I'm not mistaken.

I suppose it's possible Bruce/Kritzerland might be able to sub-license some of those from Varese like LLL did with Planet of the Apes...but with the sales potential of most Golden Age scores now, it seems unlikely that Bruce or anyone would tackle a project with the added costs of licensing from Varese. I hope I'm wrong.

Yavar


If Kilamanjaro was owned in perpetuity by Varese, I doubt Kritzerland would have been able to reissue it, which they did (besides, I thought the only time Varese released it was in that massive box set).

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

I'll buy this just on Newman's bonafides from The Robe.

If the quality of this is anywhere near that one, we're in for a treat.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

If Kilamanjaro was owned in perpetuity by Varese, I doubt Kritzerland would have been able to reissue it, which they did (besides, I thought the only time Varese released it was in that massive box set).

You are quite right; I goofed by including that because my memory was hazy. Fixed. The half of the Herrmann at Fox scores which Varese did *not* originally release in the 90s, Kritzerland was thankfully able to reissue (and in one case expand) after their massive box set...and Kilimanjaro was among those.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 2:24 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

If Kilamanjaro was owned in perpetuity by Varese, I doubt Kritzerland would have been able to reissue it, which they did (besides, I thought the only time Varese released it was in that massive box set).

You are quite right; I goofed by including that because my memory was hazy. Fixed. The half of the Herrmann at Fox scores which Varese did *not* originally release in the 90s, Kritzerland was thankfully able to reissue (and in one case expand) after their massive box set...and Kilimanjaro was among those.

Yavar



I would ‘love’ Bruce to be able to get his hands on Herrmann’s The Ghost and Mrs. Muir.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Yes. Shame on me for expecting something other than just a box full of reissues with only single interesting disc after more than a year since the last interesting Kritzerland release. Maybe I'll just wait until someone reissues it on its own.

That would be ironic, as Bruce has been the "Reissue and Chief" of single titles from the Herrmann box. Maybe a single, and two double-cd releases would have been better for consumers.

but are you *really* going to stand by that blanket statement and overlook Kritzerland's recent release of Dementia, by George Antheil -- a total 100% premiere, and only the second ever Antheil film score to get a release after The Pride and the Passion half a century ago?
Yavar


Also ironic to question Lokutus' pissy atititude when you yourself continue to mention your distaste for "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" whenever it's discussed (ie the missing music recently). I don't get it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

but are you *really* going to stand by that blanket statement and overlook Kritzerland's recent release of Dementia, by George Antheil -- a total 100% premiere, and only the second ever Antheil film score to get a release after The Pride and the Passion half a century ago?
Yavar


Also ironic to question Lokutus' pissy atititude when you yourself continue to mention your distaste for "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" whenever it's discussed (ie the missing music recently). I don't get it.


I don't see the similarity resulting in irony. My attitude wasn't pissy (or even remotely negative about LLL's fantastic Apes box set release, which I have happily ordered), though I can understand I annoyed you with my predilection to repeat my opinions.

It seems like you're saying "It's ironic that you're annoyed by Lokutus's pissy attitude because *I'm* annoyed by your repeatedly mentioning your distaste for Beneath the Planet of the Apes!"

But I'm not actually even annoyed by what Lokutus wrote; I'm more surprised/confused by it considering the recent important film music premiere Kritzerland put out, which maybe he missed (or he just doesn't care at all about Antheil I guess?)

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

It seems like you're saying "It's ironic that you're annoyed by Lokutus's pissy attitude because *I'm* annoyed by your repeatedly mentioning your distaste for Beneath the Planet of the Apes!"

Yavar


No, it's ironic like "the kettle calling the pot black." That's not about my annoyance, it's about someone who's critical, criticizing someone for being critical. Lokutus has more to be annoyed over because he only sees one disc from this set being of value. For you and the POTA box, it was one disc being of little value. So imagine what it will be like if he buys the set. Do you want to see him complain every time someone discusses the discs he doesn't like?

Btw, I do understand you sympathized with him over the redundancy, and your clarification that you weren't actually annoyed. But you might be if he keeps it up. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I can't recommend this set highly enough to those who don't have these scores yet. But as one who's been collecting for 50 years, I'm increasingly finding that everything old is new again. Except for my aged ears, which more often than not are failing to discern the improvements brought by re-mastering. For us there is DEMENTIA. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2019 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

I too was a little disappointed at first glance. $60 for 3 minutes of a new score? But reading more carefully now makes me believe this set is essential. Extra music for PRINCE OF FOXES?. Improved quality on LIAMST (over the Varese edition I have), BLACK SWAN, and CAPT FROM CASTILE?. I'm in, even if I have to wait a little and hope it doesn't sell out too quickly. Too many car repair and other unexpected expenses right now.

 
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