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 Posted:   Aug 9, 2020 - 3:57 AM   
 By:   SpaceMind   (Member)

Clearing this up.

We have the original sources. We remastered the CD and Lp from them. So whoever said that never consulted with the producers.


In that case, ORDERED!

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2020 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Guess I'll have to be that one guy. I love Joel McNeely's work and his temp-tracking doesn't bother me at all. But no matter how hard I try I cannot get into this score.

I had a bit of trouble with it at first, too. But it definitely did grew on me after a couple of listens.
Musically it fits very well into the Star Wars-world, imho.

If there's one thing that still gives me a bit of trouble is that this doesn't sound like a Star Wars motion picture score - mostly because action music in Star Wars is usually filled up to the max with energy, but that's the one aspect that's really lacking here, it's much more laid back. Not a big deal overall, since the listening experience on this is still very fine, and if you haven't the original release I'd absolutely recommend getting this.

It's a nice contribution to the musical Star Wars universe, but don't expect a Star wars motion picture score.


I played it twice on YT. I started to get into the second half. So yes maybe it needs to grow on me a bit more. Like I said, I'm a huge McNeely fan.

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2020 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   Ny   (Member)

Just got this on cd, very happy with the sound, and the presentation, but is the print on the side supposed to run from down to up? Seems like an error.

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2020 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)

I had no idea this was re-released this past year. Shadows of the Empire was a pretty big deal back in 1996 for Star Wars fans like myself. I bought this score when it came out and while I wasn't too impressed initially, it later grew on me after repeated listens. Once I got the N64 game the day it came out, the score only grew on me that much more. This score definitely takes me back to 1996, that's for darn sure!

Side note -- the score really wasn't written for the novel specifically either, rather each media was released as sort of one giant multi-media monster - the novel, the comic book and action figures & toys all came out at the exact same time in late April of '96, so you could say the score was written for the toys or comic books just as easily. The N64 video game did come much later in December of '96 though.

I'm sure others mentioned this already, Shadows of the Empire in 1996 and the original film Special Editions in theaters in early 1997 were Lucas' way of getting people amped up and excited for his new prequel trilogy coming 2-3 years later.

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2020 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)



Side note -- the score really wasn't written for the novel specifically either, rather each media was released as sort of one giant multi-media monster - the novel, the comic book and action figures & toys all came out at the exact same time in late April of '96, so you could say the score was written for the toys or comic books just as easily. The N64 video game did come much later in December of '96 though.


Actually, McNeely had stated numerous times that the score was written FOR the novel and nothing else. Everything he scored was to images that formed in his head while reading the book.

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2020 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)



Side note -- the score really wasn't written for the novel specifically either, rather each media was released as sort of one giant multi-media monster - the novel, the comic book and action figures & toys all came out at the exact same time in late April of '96, so you could say the score was written for the toys or comic books just as easily. The N64 video game did come much later in December of '96 though.


Actually, McNeely had stated numerous times that the score was written FOR the novel and nothing else. Everything he scored was to images that formed in his head while reading the book.

-Erik-


That was his inspiration yes, but what I mean is that the score was released at the same time as the novel, the comics and the toys. So it really wasn't designed to be a score for any specific media. It wasn't the score for the novel only. It was a score for the entire multi-media blitz of everything -- the book, the comics, the toys, the video game, etc.

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2020 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

To those of you who have both, is there a significant sound difference between the 1996 release and the 2020 release?

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2020 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   steffromuk   (Member)

To those of you who have both, is there a significant sound difference between the 1996 release and the 2020 release?

Only for the vinyl which benefited a remastering. the CD is exactly the same as the 1996 one

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2020 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)

I am curious how the LP re-master came out and sounds like. But I have absolutely zero interest in LPs so won't attempt to get a copy. Perhaps one day the re-mastered elements will make their way to us digitally or on another CD pressing.

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2020 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

To those of you who have both, is there a significant sound difference between the 1996 release and the 2020 release?

Only for the vinyl which benefited a remastering. the CD is exactly the same as the 1996 one


Per ByronDavis above:

Clearing this up.

We have the original sources. We remastered the CD and Lp from them. So whoever said that never consulted with the producers.


At any rate, it would be nice to hear from someone who has both CDs who can give their impression!

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2020 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)

To those of you who have both, is there a significant sound difference between the 1996 release and the 2020 release?

Only for the vinyl which benefited a remastering. the CD is exactly the same as the 1996 one


Per ByronDavis above:

Clearing this up.

We have the original sources. We remastered the CD and Lp from them. So whoever said that never consulted with the producers.


At any rate, it would be nice to hear from someone who has both CDs who can give their impression!


Ahhh, thanks for actually clarifying this info, Wedge! Now my interest is piqued and I'm definitely going to pick-up the new CD release!

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2020 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)



That was his inspiration yes, but what I mean is that the score was released at the same time as the novel, the comics and the toys. So it really wasn't designed to be a score for any specific media. It wasn't the score for the novel only. It was a score for the entire multi-media blitz of everything -- the book, the comics, the toys, the video game, etc.


Yes, it was part of a bigger multimedia package but it was still a score inspired by the book and nothing else. McNeely didn't have anything else to inspire him other than the book. He never saw the toys, the comic, the game or anything else. I mean, that's like saying the John Williams score for Star Wars wasn't designed to be a score for any specific media because the film came out at the same time as the toys, comics, etc.

As for the difference in audio. I do have the LP digital files sent to me by Varese. When I compare them to the original CD release there is a significant change, mostly in volume. I don't hear any other audible changes. When I compare the opening track on the album there is a 2.7db difference. It's still a very dynamic mix. I mean, the quite bits in Imperial City, for instance, hover around -33db, while the peaks are right up to -2db, -1db.

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2020 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)



That was his inspiration yes, but what I mean is that the score was released at the same time as the novel, the comics and the toys. So it really wasn't designed to be a score for any specific media. It wasn't the score for the novel only. It was a score for the entire multi-media blitz of everything -- the book, the comics, the toys, the video game, etc.


Yes, it was part of a bigger multimedia package but it was still a score inspired by the book and nothing else. McNeely didn't have anything else to inspire him other than the book. He never saw the toys, the comic, the game or anything else. I mean, that's like saying the John Williams score for Star Wars wasn't designed to be a score for any specific media because the film came out at the same time as the toys, comics, etc.

-Erik-


I see where you are coming from and agree the novel certainly was McNeely's blueprint for the scoring process. Though it's not like saying Williams' score isn't designed for any media because his score was acrually written to be used in the films. But my main point was the score was just as easily connected to the novel as it was to any of the other forms of media that all came out that April. I know when I picked up the score in '96 I didn't think it was tied to just the novel. As far as I know or can remember, the score was never advertised as a score to just the novel's release back then was it?

This conversation really makes me want to dig up all my old issues of BanthaTracks/LFL magazine from back then!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

I know the vinyl was mentioned but do we actually know the improvement of sound over the original CD release? The original had a lot of hissing noise and quite low volume.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   Makooti   (Member)



That was his inspiration yes, but what I mean is that the score was released at the same time as the novel, the comics and the toys. So it really wasn't designed to be a score for any specific media. It wasn't the score for the novel only. It was a score for the entire multi-media blitz of everything -- the book, the comics, the toys, the video game, etc.


Yes, it was part of a bigger multimedia package but it was still a score inspired by the book and nothing else. McNeely didn't have anything else to inspire him other than the book. He never saw the toys, the comic, the game or anything else. I mean, that's like saying the John Williams score for Star Wars wasn't designed to be a score for any specific media because the film came out at the same time as the toys, comics, etc.

-Erik-


I see where you are coming from and agree the novel certainly was McNeely's blueprint for the scoring process. Though it's not like saying Williams' score isn't designed for any media because his score was acrually written to be used in the films. But my main point was the score was just as easily connected to the novel as it was to any of the other forms of media that all came out that April. I know when I picked up the score in '96 I didn't think it was tied to just the novel. As far as I know or can remember, the score was never advertised as a score to just the novel's release back then was it?

This conversation really makes me want to dig up all my old issues of BanthaTracks/LFL magazine from back then!


https://i.imgur.com/ZbCvnLW.jpg

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

As far as I know or can remember, the score was never advertised as a score to just the novel's release back then was it?

SOTE as a whole - the game, novel, comics, toys, soundtrack, RPG books, etc - are all part of a marketing sweep from Lucasfilm to gauge how and what will sell for the then-forthcoming prequels. Its literally just to test what sells and in what demographics.

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2020 - 1:59 AM   
 By:   Ny   (Member)

I know the vinyl was mentioned but do we actually know the improvement of sound over the original CD release? The original had a lot of hissing noise and quite low volume.


I don't have the original to compare it to but I'm not detecting any hissing on the new cd, and volume-wise it has high dynamic range - the low parts are low, the loud parts loud. It sounds good.

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2020 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

SOTE as a whole - the game, novel, comics, toys, soundtrack, RPG books, etc

AND revisionism! Don't forget the inclusion of the YT-2400 light freighter that can now be seen in Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope!

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2020 - 1:37 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I've had the cd since it (and the novel) first came out and it has the same "concert" ambience that a lot of music recorded with the RSNO has. It's no worse.

I find a lot of the RSNO recordings have excellent sound. It's very natural with a huge dynamic range; the sound is "big", yet still clear. In many cases, the actual film recording doesn't sound nearly as good.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2020 - 1:44 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



That was his inspiration yes, but what I mean is that the score was released at the same time as the novel, the comics and the toys. So it really wasn't designed to be a score for any specific media. It wasn't the score for the novel only. It was a score for the entire multi-media blitz of everything -- the book, the comics, the toys, the video game, etc.


Yes, it was part of a bigger multimedia package but it was still a score inspired by the book and nothing else. McNeely didn't have anything else to inspire him other than the book. He never saw the toys, the comic, the game or anything else. I mean, that's like saying the John Williams score for Star Wars wasn't designed to be a score for any specific media because the film came out at the same time as the toys, comics, etc.


I absolutely agree, and it was marketed and reviewed as a score based on the novel. Which is much more interesting and promising as far as music goes than a score for a video game.

 
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