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 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I will take American Tail over Avatar or Titanic anyday

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

But you're wrong A&C.
I don't have any hero worship towards Horner.
Just an enjoyment of his music, warts and all.
Do you not see Jerry Fielding's similar steals and re-uses, or do you choose to ignore them?
For the record, I love Fielding's music too and own every score CD by him.
Oh, and temper temper wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I think if you recheck the thread A&C, you will see you were the first to start with the cheap pot shots (at Horner).

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

But you're wrong A&C.
I don't have any hero worship towards Horner.
Just an enjoyment of his music, warts and all.
Do you not see Jerry Fielding's similar steals and re-uses, or do you choose to ignore them?
For the record, I love Fielding's music too and own every score CD by him.
Oh, and temper temper wink


For some unexplained reason, you seem to be fixated on Jerry Fielding. Is this a follow-up to your previous flawed premise? smile

In any case, I thought the subject of the thread was Jamie Horner "did it again", more precisely with respect to An American Tail and not whether most of us enjoy the score itself or not.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I will take American Tail over Avatar or Titanic anyday

I'll take 'em all!

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I think if you recheck the thread A&C, you will see you were the first to start with the cheap pot shots (at Horner).

If you consider pointing out vast amounts of (always) uncredited lifts, pilfering, borrows, steals as cheap shots, then guilty as charged. I consider blatant artistic appropriation rather egregious, but then if integrity has any value, no other conclusion can be reached. Also, you are quite right, my "shots" were aimed at Jamie Horner as he was at the heart of the of the discusion, and not at any "dissenters".

It is all fine and well that fans make allowances for Horner's thievery, but there are vast amounts of valuable works that made these scores a reality. To claim them as ones own is profoundly disrespectful to the artists without whom there would be no Jamie Horner. Not to mention lazy.

I've often wondered, in the case of Horner, if any unattributed (to others) music in his scores are the works of composers you've just havent heard of (yet). Not a year goes by without me hearing music that turn out to be the origins of a Horner piece. That is something, in my experience, that it unique to Jamie.

To broadly brush others as deluded, delusional or any other cheap shot does not constitute an argument. But if you want to see five lights, knock yourself out, son. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Great deflection, from the Fielding (and others) self same issues.
You keep that gun pointed squarely at 'Jamie's' head (btw, have you listened to your early Christopher Young soundtracks lately?).
And keep talking down to me (son? nephew? wtf?), that must prove you're wnning. Insecure much (rhetorical).

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Nice. Deflecting my previous question and then doubling down on your deflection. big grin Politics in your future? The eight ball says: outlook good.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Closes eyes, covers ears!! "Only James Horner did this!! Only James Horner did this!!"

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Closes eyes, covers ears!! "Only James Horner did this!! Only James Horner did this!!"

Triple down! big grin Your premise was false as I pointed out earlier, and to which you initially deflected, but yeah, facts are always troublesome. Keep carrying the torch for Jamie.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 3:01 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

It must be fun thinking you've never lost an argument with that Trump-like thinking and outlook!! wink
Bravo!

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

It must be fun thinking you've never lost an argument with that Trump-like thinking and outlook!! wink
Bravo!


Who's delusional now? big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Indulge me A&C.
Do you think Horner is the only composer who did this?
Do you accept others have done it too?

edit..tumbleweeds ahoy.. big grin

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   steffromuk   (Member)

Everybody, let's leave the room and let A&C and Kev have their fight for the last word. I'm bored.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   Joe Brausam   (Member)

The funny thing is that this happens all throughout musical history. Does it happen a lot with Horner? Yes. Does it detract from me enjoying his music? Not one bit.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 4:54 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

"I'm bored"
--------
I agree. It was boring me too.
And I wasn't defending Horner from the plagiarism/steals allegations, cos it's there for all to see.
IT IS UNDENIABLE!
I was just trying to highlight that MANY other film composers have done it too (and often), but some people only see it as a Horner thing. Which is just plain wrong. It's like they can't accept that THEIR HEROES did it too.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 4:59 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

"I'm bored"
--------
I agree. It was boring me too.
And I wasn't defending Horner from the plagiarism/steals allegations, cos it's there for all to see.
I was just trying to highlight that MANY other film composers have done it too (and often), but some people only see it as a Horner thing. Which is just plain wrong. It's like they can't accept that THEIR HEROES did it too.


Bingo!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 5:01 AM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

The funny thing is that this happens all throughout musical history. Does it happen a lot with Horner? Yes. Does it detract from me enjoying his music? Not one bit.

The most sensible post in this totally unnecessary thread and even more so in the week of the 5th anniversary of his passing.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 5:03 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

As for Horner, he produced a tremendous body of work. His borrowing of themes or motifs, reworking of pre-existing material is minimal in comparison.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 5:23 AM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

As for Horner, he produced a tremendous body of work. His borrowing of themes or motifs, reworking of pre-existing material is minimal in comparison.

Another sensible statement

 
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