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 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   lars.blondeel   (Member)

The Keep is not missing 3 tracks.
For the box set, the original 1984 master tapes were unearthed.
That means that the box set contains the 1:1 original album that was planned for release in early 1984, but was scrapped and shelved when the movie – which was already released for some months – was a box office flop.
The version released by TD in 1997 is based on the 1984 planned album, adding three tracks, some overdubs and edits.

The complete story about the 1984 album version of The Keep is printed in the book that comes with the Pilots.. box. It will be the end to all myths, rumours and assumptions.

The Pilots… box contains the long-awaited 1984 version of The Keep album – a standalone album, just like TD released their scores of Thief, Sorcerer and Firestarter – to name a few. So don’t expect raw cues of The Keep (…the cd in the box featuring The Soldier does feature the individual cues), but a full length mixed and mastered album that stands up in its own right – and musically is a logical follow-up to Hyperborea.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

The Keep is not missing 3 tracks.
For the box set, the original 1984 master tapes were unearthed.
That means that the box set contains the 1:1 original album that was planned for release in early 1984, but was scrapped and shelved when the movie – which was already released for some months – was a box office flop.
The version released by TD in 1997 is based on the 1984 planned album, adding three tracks, some overdubs and edits.

The complete story about the 1984 album version of The Keep is printed in the book that comes with the Pilots.. box. It will be the end to all myths, rumours and assumptions.

The Pilots… box contains the long-awaited 1984 version of The Keep album – a standalone album, just like TD released their scores of Thief, Sorcerer and Firestarter – to name a few. So don’t expect raw cues of The Keep (…the cd in the box featuring The Soldier does feature the individual cues), but a full length mixed and mastered album that stands up in its own right – and musically is a logical follow-up to Hyperborea.


Okay....I’m more confused than ever now...but cautiously hopeful.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 10:29 PM   
 By:   ROBERT Z   (Member)

Well , We only hope that what we will hear in this album will be close enough to what we heard in the film that the mention original soundtrack of the movie will not be a misleading again. (ENCORE, in French)

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I just ordered mine with the poster. Very excited to hear this Keep album and the Soldier score.
The extra track on Thief is also very curious. And I didn’t own the other albums or concerts, so this is a win-win for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

This is all a bit confusing to me. I'm not that into the nuts and bolts of this, so forgive my ignorance. I have a 16-track, 60-minute album of THE KEEP. I can't remember if it's legal or illegal; it's something I got on a CD-R from a friend ages ago, and then transferred to iTunes.

In what way does this release differ from what I have? And why isn't it what you wanted?

In your response, pretend that I'm very stupid (it's not that difficult to imagine, I suppose) and explain it to me as succinctly as possible.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Well, I'm not even that much of a fan of TD or The Keep, but it's obvious from what people are saying here, that the actual score, as heard in the film The Keep, has never been heard or released in any format, outside of a few cues. And none contain the track with the interpolation of The Snowman/Walking In The Air, which sounds like a most wanted cue.
But when do you ever get musical coherence in a Michael Mann film.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Well, I'm not even that much of a fan of TD or The Keep, but it's obvious from what people are saying here, that the actual score, as heard in the film The Keep, has never been heard or released in any format, outside of a few cues.

Then what is my album? And if this release is different from my album, then what is it?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

How familiar are you with the film?
Do your album tracks sound like the ones used in the film?
Is the Snowman version on your CDR?
You might have The Wonka Golden Ticket Album??

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Track list on Amazon:

Track listing & details

Disc: 1
Tangram Set 1
Tangram Set 2

Disc: 2
Beach Theme
Dr. Destructo
Diamond Diary
Burning Bar
Beach Scene
Scrap Yard
Trap Feeling
Igneous
Dr. Destructo (extended version) (promo only)

Disc: 3
Kiew Mission
Pilots of Purple Twilight
Choronzon
Exit
Network 23
Remote Viewing

Disc: 4
Mojave Plan
Midnight in Tula
Convention of the 24
White Eagle
Das Mädchen auf der Treppe
Flock
Katja
Speed
Daydream
Moorland

Disc: 5
Main Titles
Cue #1 - variation on Logos #1
Cue #2 - variation on Horizon #1
Cue #3 - The Soldier #1
Cue #4 - variation on Dolphin Dance
Cue #5 - variation on Tangent #1
Cue #6 - The Soldier #2
Cue #7 - The Soldier #3
Cue #8 - The Soldier #4
Cue #9 - The Soldier #5
Cue #10 - variation on Horizon #2
Cue #11 - The Soldier #6
Cue #12 - The Soldier #7
Cue #13 - variation on Logos #2
Cue #14 - The Soldier #8
Cue #15 - variation on Horizon #3
End Titles

Disc: 6
The Dominion Concert Part One

Disc: 7
The Dominion Concert Part Two
Midnight in Tula
White Eagle
Dominion

Disc: 8
Logos (Part 1)
Logos (Part 2)
Dominion

Disc: 9
No Man's Land
Hyperborea
Cinnamon Road
Sphinx Lightning
The Dream is Always the Same
No Future (Get off the Babysitter)
Guido the Killer Pimp
Lana
Love on a Real Train (Risky Business)

Disc: 10
Puer Natus Est Nobis (Gloria)
Arx Allemand
Truth and Fiction
The Silver Seal
Ancient Powerplant
Supernatural Accomplice
The Challenger's Arrival
Heritage Survival
Parallel Words
Canzone
Voices from a Common Land
Wardays Sunrise
The Night in Romania

Frustratingly I have a good percentage of this already - and it's listed as £99 which is a tad much for The Keep :-/

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

How familiar are you with the film?
Do your album tracks sound like the ones used in the film?
Is the Snowman version on your CDR?
You might have The Wonka Golden Ticket Album??


Haven't seen the film in at least two decades, so I can't remember. But there is no snowman on my album. It appears to have many of the same tracks listed above, only three more, for some reason.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Okay then, sounds like you have what most others have.
A collection of cues that may have been the intended score for some earlier cut of The Keep, but ended up being unused and getting nowhere near the finished film, outside of a track or two.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I see. Thanks. Regardless, it's a great album.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   lars.blondeel   (Member)

OK, it's not so difficult. In 1984, TD were gonna release a sort of follow-up to 'Hyperborea', with a couple of tracks from 'The Keep', and other new material not related to the film. Virgin and TD figured that since a lot of music from the movie was already available on other TD and Edgar Froese albums (Rubycon, Logos, Kamikaze 1989), that not much music from the movie would find its way onto the album (also, the film bombed heavily). That 13 track album was never released. Froese however revisited that album in 1997, added 3 tracks, tangled a bit with it (overdubs) and released it as 'The Keep' on the TDI label.
What we're getting in the box is the original 1984 album that got shelved.

Anyone hoping to get the opening credits( which itself is a TD take on a Eno/Byrne track, or the 'Walking In The Air' track, are going to be disappointed.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 1:14 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

The main track that I am excited about is getting Canzone without the Froese overdubs.

I'm HOPING (slim chance) that we get the film version of Gloria which is much richer sounding with a large-range choir, whereas the Gloria track that has been released sounds thin with a boy soprano.

I agree with the sentiment shared by some here that it's a good album and I look forward to hearing it in it's original version. Shame we have to assemble our own "film version" playlists from various sources if we want something that resembles the soundtrack that fans of the film want.

For those that don't know, the music used for Glaeken's ocean voyage and the love scene is a "bare bones" version of the track "Moorland" which is included on this set in the "Tatort" TV show section. But Moorland has so much music layered on top of it, it's practically unrecognizable. Having The Keep mix of this track will remain one my most wanted tracks from the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   lars.blondeel   (Member)

Yep, indeed, 'Moorland' lacks the haunting beauty of the version in 'The Keep'

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

The main track that I am excited about is getting Canzone without the Froese overdubs.

I'm HOPING (slim chance) that we get the film version of Gloria which is much richer sounding with a large-range choir, whereas the Gloria track that has been released sounds thin with a boy soprano.

I agree with the sentiment shared by some here that it's a good album and I look forward to hearing it in it's original version. Shame we have to assemble our own "film version" playlists from various sources if we want something that resembles the soundtrack that fans of the film want.

For those that don't know, the music used for Glaeken's ocean voyage and the love scene is a "bare bones" version of the track "Moorland" which is included on this set in the "Tatort" TV show section. But Moorland has so much music layered on top of it, it's practically unrecognizable. Having The Keep mix of this track will remain one my most wanted tracks from the film.



In regards to assembling our own album, which sources and tracks should I be looking at?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)



In regards to assembling our own album, which sources and tracks should I be looking at?



Kind of hard to answer without discussing bootlegs.

But one easy win (although mixed a little differently than the film): you get the "Stealing Silver Crosses" track and "Kaempffer's Death" from the live "Logos" album.

A bit more obscure for completists:

The music for when Kaempffer shoots Woermann (this is also the trailer music) you can get from Froese OST album "Kamikaze 1989" (track Flying Kamikaze). A closer-to-film-mix can be heard as "Mirage" in their "Croydon 82" concert.

A section from "Rubycon Part 2" is used in the when Glaeken accuses Dr Cuza of being deceived by Molasar.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   lars.blondeel   (Member)



In regards to assembling our own album, which sources and tracks should I be looking at?



Kind of hard to answer without discussing bootlegs.

But one easy win (although mixed a little differently than the film): you get the "Stealing Silver Crosses" track and "Kaempffer's Death" from the live "Logos" album.

A bit more obscure for completists:

The music for when Kaempffer shoots Woermann (this is also the trailer music) you can get from Froese OST album "Kamikaze 1989" (track Flying Kamikaze). A closer-to-film-mix can be heard as "Mirage" in their "Croydon 82" concert.

A short snippet from "Rubycon" album is used in the film (moody ambience)


And 'Mea Culpa' by Brian Eno/David Byrne

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)



And 'Mea Culpa' by Brian Eno/David Byrne


But, like Moorland mentioned earlier, there is so much music layered on top that the vibe is totally different. I wouldn't want to open a Keep soundtrack with Mea Culpa anymore than I would want to end with Howard Blake's actual "Walking in the Air" song.

Great songs on their own though!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   lars.blondeel   (Member)



And 'Mea Culpa' by Brian Eno/David Byrne


But, like Moorland mentioned earlier, there is so much music layed on top that the vibe is totally different. I wouldn't want to open a Keep soundtrack with Mea Culpa anymore than I would want to end with Howard Blake's actual "Walking in the Air" song.

Great songs on their own though!


Agreed, but probably the closest we'll ever get to the TD track

 
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