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 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 12:50 AM   
 By:   ROBERT Z   (Member)

Impossible to listen to Trevor Jones's Richard the Third score, even if it's pure Sheakspeare i'm French !

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 1:02 AM   
 By:   hyperdanny   (Member)

absolutely NOT. Intolerable. Last time I listened to the Hateful 8 I forgot to skip it , I almost had a fit.
The other ones you mentioned..never like Blade Runner, but of course I had Babe , and I resold it because the whole experience was so enraging.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Absolutely hate it, and don't usually succumb to such recordings. I did get Flash Gordon by Queen which annoyed the hell out of me, and The Story of Star Wars back in the day while we all still enthralled by the film, and there wasn't much in the way of home video. Anyway I don't think things like the latter count. It's not meant as a music album anyway.

I definitely boycotted The Prisoner tv soundtracks that Silva put out prior to the most recent Network release. Utter rubbish. Annoying at the time as I only had the first volume (the actual scores) on the original vinyl release (something I had a very tiny hand in getting made).

And the very first time they released a Doctor Who soundtrack album, they included sound fx mixed in with the music which again, really annoyed me. The excuse was that by then the BBC Radiophonic Workshop were scoring the show as well as providing the sound fx (which they'd always done), and they seemed to think was very little dividing line between them but it really did spoil the listening pleasure. Fortunately they dropped the stupid idea for Doctor Who the Music II...

So the answer to the thread question is an emphatic NO!

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Ny   (Member)

I generally don't mind it if it's at the start or the end of the track, also if the dialogue itself has character, and is carefully chosen. I enjoy the few sparse dialogue bits on the recent Uncut Gems soundtrack for example.
On the other end of the scale however, the Trevor Jones albums are mind boggling in how disruptive the dialogue use is. The volume levels are all over the place, they turn up in the middle of tracks, there's far too much of it, and it gets boring fast.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Generally no, I hate dialogue on soundtracks. Those that do, 99.9% percent of the time ruin the album and makes it unlistenable. One of the biggest frustrations was Apollo 13 along with War Games. All the "more of" albums are lost opportunities.

But I admit there are a few albums where I enjoy the dialogue or narration on the album.
Blade Runner being my number one favorite score with dialogue. I also don't mind the dialogue on The Alamo. I also don't mind the opening narration on Tron Legacy. Its actually pretty cool. I don't consider Spocks monologue in WOK dialogue, its part of the performance.

"Story Of" albums are just that, mini radio dramas on LP. They're not soundtracks and don't really belong in this discussion.

Though if I had a choice, I would always say no dialogue ever on a soundtrack.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

Hate it. I understand why they did it back in the day before videotapes brought the movies into your home, but I don’t think there is a need for it now.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

No.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 7:42 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

So did you guys also hate the recitations on the Dark Shadows soundtrack?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 7:58 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

So did you guys also hate the recitations on the Dark Shadows soundtrack?

Most of us don't have that, Onya.

That is pre-'75-Spielberg.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Some of my favourite soundtracks still have dialogue between tracks, such as Get Carter and Escape From New York. My Question is are you able to tolerate those distractions by ignoring them when listening to a CD or do you programme them out or skip those tracks completely?

I personally remove them on my mp3 player, but can still tolerate them on cd.


The bad habit of putting dialogue(s) on CD stemmed from the time when soundtracks were released on LP and were more or less serving as a collectible from the movie, they were not (always) produced the way they were produced for "musical" reasons, but as a souvenir from the movie. There were no DVDs or Blurays back then, not even VHS copies really. But like all bad habits, they carried over and some still do it.
Soundtracks for Tarantino film do it on purpose, they tend to be needle dropping retro-soundtracks... but when the dialog intrudes in the original score of HATEFUL 8, I find it annoying. I program it out of the way.

In case of, say, Silva's ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK, the dialogue is fortunately added as separate tracks, so one can easily program them out as well. In fact, in cases like that, dialogues get assigned a different "genre" in my collection anyway (Books & Spoken) whereas the music here is "Soundtrack", so it's not problem to play either the album as released or just the music without the dialogue, or just the dialogue without the music.

In a rare case like BLADE RUNNER, I don't really mind the "dialogue", as Vangelis does not use them in souvenir fashion, but integrates them into his musical vision for the score. On the OST album, snippets of dialogue from the movie are used in soliloquy-fashion on some cues, interwoven into the soundscape, so the spoken words become part of the music. In fact, when the Danish National Symphony Orchestra performed "BLADE RUNNER" in concert, they did so WITH the "dialogue" done live as well, as that is now also part of the "score". So I can accept that.

But generally I don't like it and in days of DVDs, Blurays and streaming, dialogue usually serves no purpose on a soundtrack CD other than to annoy those who buy them.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

One of the greatest soundtrack fails was the CD release of David Shire's "The Conversation." The album should have absolutely included the conversation. The garbled version we hear as the protagonist is attempting to clarify the sound would have functioned nicely as a musique concrete piece. If there had been an LP at the time, it certainly would have been included.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I love in David Holmes' score to "Haywire," there is one track where the female protagonist says "Rossborough. Remember Rossborough." And the male passenger in the car replies, "Rossborough."

It is the only dialog on the album. The album would not have been as good without this.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Does X-Men have dialogue? Ive heard some say there's spoken words or mumbling in the music but its almost inaudible.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   LoungeLaura   (Member)

Some of my favourite soundtracks still have dialogue between tracks, such as Get Carter and Escape From New York. My Question is are you able to tolerate those distractions by ignoring them when listening to a CD or do you programme them out or skip those tracks completely?

I personally remove them on my mp3 player, but can still tolerate them on cd.


Absolutely! Taxi Driver is one of my fave scores! The dialog is a delicious condiment.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   LoungeLaura   (Member)

So did you guys also hate the recitations on the Dark Shadows soundtrack?

Most of us don't have that, Onya.

That is pre-'75-Spielberg.


Have you polled every FSMer to be able to validate that assertion as fact? I'd love to see the science behind this.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Micki Moreau   (Member)

So did you guys also hate the recitations on the Dark Shadows soundtrack?

That one I didn't mind because they released those tracks on one of the next three lps without the dialogue.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

So did you guys also hate the recitations on the Dark Shadows soundtrack?

That one I didn't mind because they released those tracks on one of the next three lps without the dialogue.


But the availability of those tracks is irrelevant.

I am asking how you think the album works as a whole with a combination of music and recitations.

I too burned my own version with all instrumental versions, and frankly, I don't think it is anywhere near as good.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

The "Dirty Harry" album would not be anywhere near as good without Clint Eastwood's opening dialogue. It is too bad that on the album version he says "tooth" instead of "truth."

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

So did you guys also hate the recitations on the Dark Shadows soundtrack?

Most of us don't have that, Onya.

That is pre-'75-Spielberg.


Have you polled every FSMer to be able to validate that assertion as fact? I'd love to see the science behind this.


No science. No "Politzia", either.
Simply 10 years of observation here @ FSM that the majority of active posters consider 1978 through 1982 as the 'best' years of film music.
The 1950s are 'uncool', and the late '60s/early '70s are appreciated by a sub-set of this niche area.

I never grew up with DARK SHADOWS myself, but it's in my core period of interest (which spans around '48 through '84).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2020 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I never grew up with DARK SHADOWS myself, but it's in my core period of interest (which spans around '48 through '84).

You should treat yourself to the original DS album on Philips, which has been reissued on CD.

 
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