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 Posted:   Oct 27, 2020 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

21:00 of classical pieces by Mozart, Bach, and Salieri, that are source music in the film for villain James Gandolfini -- and which are important enough to the movie that one member here already posted his gratitude for their inclusion in the set.


I was joking

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2020 - 4:36 PM   
 By:   patrick_runkle   (Member)

I hate, hate, hate myself for what I'm about to say, but: There's no way this couldn't have fit on one disc? Really?

Not an unreasonable question and I’m certainly surprised about spending $30 on The Last Castle myself, but the way this could have fit on one disc would be to omit not only the remastered original album (which might have unique takes/edit points different from the film) but also all of the classical source music which Jerry himself conducted and/or supervised. I realize that sort of thing is perhaps only interesting to huge fans of the film or of Jerry Goldsmith, but I’m a huge enough fan of the latter that I confess I’m interested to hear Jerry’s take on these as a conductor in particular.

Yavar


I hear all of that and my question sort of assumed it, but I guess I'll do a brief analysis after I get the set to see. I think another justification would be some requirement that the entirety of the original album needed to appear. But if you cut out the two songs, the source music, and the alternates that just present a slightly different performance or a very slightly different instrument balance, I'm having difficulty believing that what's left over wouldn't have fit on one disc.

However, I will absolutely respect Yavar's desire to hear Goldsmith's take on the classical material.

 
 Posted:   Oct 28, 2020 - 11:16 PM   
 By:   Jens   (Member)

Relevant to your interests:

http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/6119113-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-the-last-castle-200

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2020 - 10:32 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Rambo III. For me this score plays very much as a sequel to that one.

Yavar
I agree. If Goldsmith were able to have scored Stallone's 2006 Rambo I always imagined this is what it would've sounded like. It was a huge shame he wasn't still with us for that score as I think the film is hugely underated.


At 2.38 in Taking Command it almost breaks out into the Rambo ostinato to boot!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2020 - 6:08 AM   
 By:   MCurry29   (Member)

yaaaawn.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2020 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   AJL   (Member)

I have just read on The Land Before Time thread that 'the audio is absolutely amazing' according to the contributor.
Has anyone received The Last Castle yet, and if so what is the sonic upgrade like on that one compared to the original release?
Your opinion please.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2020 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Received THE LAST CASTLE and THE LAND BEFORE TIME yesterday. Two of Intrada's best releases of the year. Loved both of them. My kind of music. Thanks to everyone at Intrada for making this possible.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2020 - 10:23 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I have just read on The Land Before Time thread that 'the audio is absolutely amazing' according to the contributor.
Has anyone received The Last Castle yet, and if so what is the sonic upgrade like on that one compared to the original release?
Your opinion please.


It is very similar for the tracks that are repeated based on my recent revisit of the album. This one is more interesting for the expansion. The new tracks blend in nicely.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2020 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   AJL   (Member)

I have just read on The Land Before Time thread that 'the audio is absolutely amazing' according to the contributor.
Has anyone received The Last Castle yet, and if so what is the sonic upgrade like on that one compared to the original release?
Your opinion please.


It is very similar for the tracks that are repeated based on my recent revisit of the album. This one is more interesting for the expansion. The new tracks blend in nicely.


Thank You. But are you saying that the remastered sound quality is more or less the same as the original release, because if that is the case then the only reason for buying it would be for the new tracks.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2020 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I have just read on The Land Before Time thread that 'the audio is absolutely amazing' according to the contributor.
Has anyone received The Last Castle yet, and if so what is the sonic upgrade like on that one compared to the original release?
Your opinion please.


It is very similar for the tracks that are repeated based on my recent revisit of the album. This one is more interesting for the expansion. The new tracks blend in nicely.


Thank You. But are you saying that the remastered sound quality is more or less the same as the original release, because if that is the case then the only reason for buying it would be for the new tracks.


Well it depends which version you have. If you have the original version with the mastering errors over several tracks then you’ll definitely want to upgrade to the new one despite the extra music.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2020 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   AJL   (Member)

I have just read on The Land Before Time thread that 'the audio is absolutely amazing' according to the contributor.
Has anyone received The Last Castle yet, and if so what is the sonic upgrade like on that one compared to the original release?
Your opinion please.


It is very similar for the tracks that are repeated based on my recent revisit of the album. This one is more interesting for the expansion. The new tracks blend in nicely.


Thank You. But are you saying that the remastered sound quality is more or less the same as the original release, because if that is the case then the only reason for buying it would be for the new tracks.


Well it depends which version you have. If you have the original version with the mastering errors over several tracks then you’ll definitely want to upgrade to the new one despite the extra music.


My copy has no mastering errors, but I am always more interested in remastered expansions when the sound quality is significantly improved.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2020 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Yes I am saying it sounds basically the same as the original. The original already sounded great. I haven't done a side-by-side comparison or anything though.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2020 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

The sound quality is greatly improved. Much more punch now and the synth is clear. I listen to the CD nonstop back in the day. Hard to believe it’s 20 years old now. Great release.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2020 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I remember the day this score was released.
Its the only copy on the shelves. It had some kinda weird security contraption on it that required a tool to remove.
The young lady at the register nearly broke it in half trying to take it off. She cracked both the front and back of the jewel case. And when she did it, she paused a bit, looked at me a gave me a smirk. I'll never forget that.


The above is by far the best, most human post in this entire thread. I had a similar unpleasantness happen to me (albeit with a different employee in a different store), only it was with a Kingston Trio box set.

Should I ever meet T.J. Turner, the first drink is on me.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2020 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

For some reason, I never paid any attention to this score until now, and it’s pretty fantastic!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 10, 2020 - 12:30 AM   
 By:   AJL   (Member)

The sound quality is greatly improved. Much more punch now and the synth is clear. I listen to the CD nonstop back in the day. Hard to believe it’s 20 years old now. Great release.

Thank you for your input. Now I'll have to order it.

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2020 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

This is one of my least favorite Goldsmith's scores.
Very reminescent of Rambo in a bad way.

The fact that the movie is uterly stupid doesn't help - two army assholes fighting to prove who has the Bigus Dickus!

The complete score album makes it better, but not that much.

What cues were composed by Mark Mackenzie?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2020 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

What cues were composed by Mark Mackenzie?

You're savaging Goldsmith's score without knowing which cues he wrote? Typical.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2020 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

The Last Castle is a score I'd all but forgotten about, having been underwhelmed when it first came out. I've been quite pleasantly surprised by the complete score and it's mournful quality. I don't know if I was expecting something different at the time, or it's just my musical tastes evolving over the years, or even a somber score like this fitting this moment in time, but I've really been enjoying this album.

One of the major additions to this release is Mark McKenzie's Battle for the Castle cue. This cue represents the explosive release to the tension and pressure that builds up throughout this new album and it's a real knock out of a cue. It's astonishing how much is sounds like Goldsmith - if I hadn't been told that it wasn't his work, I don't know if I'd have been able to tell the difference.

Anyways, definitely at least worth a consideration!

C

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2020 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

The Last Castle is a score I'd all but forgotten about, having been underwhelmed when it first came out. I've been quite pleasantly surprised by the complete score and it's mournful quality. I don't know if I was expecting something different at the time, or it's just my musical tastes evolving over the years, or even a somber score like this fitting this moment in time, but I've really been enjoying this album.

One of the major additions to this release is Mark McKenzie's Battle for the Castle cue. This cue represents the explosive release to the tension and pressure that builds up throughout this new album and it's a real knock out of a cue. It's astonishing how much is sounds like Goldsmith - if I hadn't been told that it wasn't his work, I don't know if I'd have been able to tell the difference.

Anyways, definitely at least worth a consideration!

C


Has it even been revealed why Goldsmith didn't score this sequence? I can't find anything in the notes. I know that he was in and out of treatment at the time but it seems odd he wrote literally everything else, and supervised/conducted the source music, but skipped the climatic action cue... Was he simply being generous towards McKenzie?

 
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