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I recall some talk of an early version of the opening song, which supposedly started with a quote of the ”flight into space” theme. Can’t recall where this was said, but very likely somewhere on this forum. Is there truth to this claim?
That's a good point, there may be versions of the song that would expand the album out.
Cheers
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This is roughly how it breaks down:
Gunbarrel: 0:24
Hijacking the shuttle: 0:53
Freefall: 1:32 (two shorter cues separated in the film)
Arrival at the chateau: 0:44
Starting the centrifuge: 0:44
Photographing Venini glass blueprints: 1:27
Following Goodhead in Venice: 0:40
Gondola chase: 2:18
Hang gliding in the Amazon: 0:34
Shuttle launch: 0:36
Switching off the gravity: 0:33
Jaws and Dolly in the space station wreckage: 1:00
Total approx. time of unreleased music: 11:25
This is up for discussion ,is there more unreleased music listed above from Moonraker that has been missed ??
Presumably that doesn't include the Magnificent Seven theme or the classical snippets (Bond's lap of honour round St Marks Square after the gondola chase and Jaws and Dolly's slomo romance bit near the end)?
Regardless, it looks like most of the missing cues are very short - less than a minute - which (for my money) makes an album less satisfying as the music doesn't really have a chance to develop. Though maybe they could be amalgamated into longer suites? I know many don't like that treatment but generally I prefer it to lots of tiny tracks.
Also - were Freefall and Gondola Chase left off the original album because they're the main bits of the score that use the James Bond Theme and Barry didn't want to include them?
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That's Gregory Hubai, as I recall. He wrote Torn Music, the book on rejected scores. I think he shows up from time to time. He still does liner notes for some limited edition releases (I forget which label -- perhaps more than one). I haven't heard from his in two or three years via e-mail.
I think I have his old website link save in an old bookmarks file. IF so, I can probably pull it u via a website like Archive.org.
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Jan 29, 2021 - 1:20 PM
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Mike F
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The master tapes for the first three films are lost so whatever's missing from Dr. No, FRWL, and Goldfinger would have to be lifted from DMEs, which is a problem in and of itself. Same goes with Moonraker.
Moonraker came up in another thread and someone in the know indicated that the Paris recording sessions were found and a high-quality digital backup was performed. Not sure of the validity of the comments, but the poster seemed sincere. For a time I thought LLL would be releasing a Bond album each year during the holidays. I am sure there are multiple reasons for the pause, but hopefully, the already released albums were decent sellers.
Yes I very much was hoping that La La Records would be releasing a Bond expanded soundtrack each year on Black Friday, however I think the release of No Time To Die has stopped this happening, that’s why we all hope the film will now be released in October 2021 to enable further expanded Bond scores in 2022 the 60th Anniversary
A fellow member Tango Urilla in 2013 listed the Moonraker unreleased music see below
This is roughly how it breaks down:
Gunbarrel: 0:24
Hijacking the shuttle: 0:53
Freefall: 1:32 (two shorter cues separated in the film)
Arrival at the chateau: 0:44
Starting the centrifuge: 0:44
Photographing Venini glass blueprints: 1:27
Following Goodhead in Venice: 0:40
Gondola chase: 2:18
Hang gliding in the Amazon: 0:34
Shuttle launch: 0:36
Switching off the gravity: 0:33
Jaws and Dolly in the space station wreckage: 1:00
Total approx. time of unreleased music: 11:25
This is up for discussion ,is there more unreleased music listed above from Moonraker that has been missed ??
I've got a cue for Switching Off Gravity which is about 1.05 and just before that is another half minute track when Drax launches the first globe.
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Somehow I missed that we were so close to OHMSS and "Moonraker." I hope these (and the others ones) will materialize. Too god to be true. Any source should be allowed to have them as complete as possible: DME, m&e tracks, whatever generation of dub tapes, water-damaged tapes, et al.
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Below is the current DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER expanded film score that was very kindly done by Lukas Kendall in 2003
S13 - Gunbarrel and Manhunt (3:11)
S1 - Diamonds Are Forever (Main Title) - Shirley Bassey (2:52)
S14 - Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd (:00-2:30)
S21 - Additional and Alternate Cues (:00-:30) [Rename to “Mrs. Whister”]
S14 - Bond To Holland (2:30-End)
S6 - Diamonds Are Forever (Source Instrumental) (3:45)
S9 - Tiffany Case (3:46)
S21 - Additional and Alternate Cues (9:06-End) [Rename to “Hello”]
S15 - Peter Franks (2:55)
S16 - Airport Source / On The Road (3:00)
S17 - Slumber, Inc. (2:22)
S21 - Additional and Alternate Cues (:30-1:07) [Combine]
S18 - The Whyte House (2:21) [Combine and retain the name “The Whyte House”]
S19 - Plenty, Then Tiffany (2:26)
S4 - Circus, Circus (2:50) [Combine]
S21 - Additional and Alternate Cues (1:07-5:02) [Combine and retain the name “Circus, Circus”]
S20 - Following The Diamonds (4:03)
S3 - Moon Buggy Ride (4:16)
S5 - Death At The Whyte House (4:53)
S8 - Bond Smells A Rat (1:52)
S2 - Bond Meets Bambi and Thumper (3:09)
S11 - Q's Trick (2:26)
S10 - 007 and Counting (3:31)
S12 - To Hell With Blofeld (5:09)
S7 - Diamonds Are Forever (Bond and Tiffany) (3:39)
Bonus Tracks:
S21 - Additional and Alternate Cues (5:02-7:00)
S21 - Additional and Alternate Cues (7:00-8:07)
S21 - Additional and Alternate Cues (8:07-9:06)
S = Score
Up for discussion , are there any more cues of unreleased music that has not been listed above from DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER score ??
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I am pretty sure I used every last possible cue on the Diamonds CD. But we did have a longer version of the title song (alternate take, extra verse) that they didn't want to do the vocal clearance for.
Lukas
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I am pretty sure I used every last possible cue on the Diamonds CD. But we did have a longer version of the title song (alternate take, extra verse) that they didn't want to do the vocal clearance for.
Lukas
Thanks Lukas great as always to have your expert input.
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I am pretty sure I used every last possible cue on the Diamonds CD. But we did have a longer version of the title song (alternate take, extra verse) that they didn't want to do the vocal clearance for.
Lukas
Sinatra, who was a friend of Cubby's, was supposed to sing the song but the deal fell through.
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I would have thought, Stefan, anything that can be run past a tape head has long been digitised by now. The rest is just legal snakes and ladders.
That's what I hope, but you never can be sure. We've had surprises in both directions: releases of material which we thought had long been lost or releases of scores which we thought should be available in pristine condition (yet had to be mastered from inferior sources).
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And let's not forget, according to Lukas, that Barry recorded guitar twang versions of both "Mr Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" and "Thunderball." Both never released. They would have been on the expanded Thunderball, but there was no room. I would love to get those!
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