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 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

4 CD Sleepy Hollow and everybody's more than glad.

I still remember all critics and even sarcasm vs. Varese Spartacus box-set


Apples and oranges. I highly doubt that this set has 2 whole CDs of cover versions, a DVD of people talking about the score, and a hardbound book.

The Spartacus set should've "only" been the original recordings and the book. I'd have been fine with "just" the original recordings and a softcover booklet with each version of the score and alternates (like LLL's TOS set).

That set was padded like nothing else I've seen in the film score realm and that's the reason it took years to sell, even after being discounted. A price in excess of $100 is absurd for one score. It didn't have to be that way. Hopefully there'll be a sane re-release in the future.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 5:06 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

It's simple:

CD1+2: score
CD3: alternates
CD4: reprint of an original album

And yes, it's ridiculous..


Especially considering the likelihood that the original album is probably fully redundant to the other three CDs. Which is why I probably won't get this. That's been a theme lately even more than it was a few years ago it seems....

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 6:32 PM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

I am totally in for this!

Unless it really IS $89

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 6:45 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Wonderful! The original CD sounds like ass.

Now, to get a properly-remastered version of the movie (as the ancient Blu-Ray also looks like anus).

FOUR CDs seems like overkill, though.

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Wonderful! The original CD sounds like ass.

Now, to get a properly-remastered version of the movie (as the ancient Blu-Ray also looks like anus).

FOUR CDs seems like overkill, though.


Is just me, or is there a proctology theme here?

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 7:40 PM   
 By:   VeronicaMars   (Member)

Wow. I knew there was a good deal more than on the Elfman/Burton box, but I had no idea there’d be enough for a 4CD set.

Yavar


Oh yeah(!) there is plenty of material that Elfman wrote for this movie especially since the film was sliced and diced editorially from it's original 2 plus hour running time down to 105 Minutes in which alot of graphic violence got cut down by the MPAA and most of Casper Van Dien's performance which Tim Burton was happy to cut out of the movie.

I think everyone will be happy with the stuff that will be included in the set considering the amount of alternates and revisions. Is it overkill? It depends on how you look at it but I will also agree that the 67 Minute album was a well put together presentation of this gothic work. Since Intrada had access to everything since it was recorded in London, it was their choice to put it out this way which is fine.

Hopefully, It'll be a good presentation and 40 dollar price tag.

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 8:27 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Wow. I knew there was a good deal more than on the Elfman/Burton box, but I had no idea there’d be enough for a 4CD set.

Yavar


Oh yeah(!) there is plenty of material that Elfman wrote for this movie especially since the film was sliced and diced editorially from it's original 2 plus hour running time down to 105 Minutes in which alot of graphic violence got cut down by the MPAA and most of Casper Van Dien's performance which Tim Burton was happy to cut out of the movie.

I think everyone will be happy with the stuff that will be included in the set considering the amount of alternates and revisions. Is it overkill? It depends on how you look at it but I will also agree that the 67 Minute album was a well put together presentation of this gothic work. Since Intrada had access to everything since it was recorded in London, it was their choice to put it out this way which is fine.

Hopefully, It'll be a good presentation and 40 dollar price tag.


Very interesting. Thanks for the info. Just listened to the main titles on youtube and I'd forgotten what a awesome Herrmann vibe it has.

I'm not as huge of a fan of Elfman as I was during his first decade on the scene when he was easily and consistently in my top five film composers (he has dropped steadily over the last two decades), but this score is Super Prime Elfman. I'm looking forward to the extra material. Damned be the price tag, although 40 smackers sounds just about right wink

Oh, and great job as customary, Gentlemen of Intrada.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2021 - 11:54 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

One of those discs will probably have the soundtrack album presentation from Hollywood Records, like with The Ghost And The Darkness, The Rocketeer and Alive. Edit: Point also made above.

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2021 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

First off, this is an instant purchase for me, as most Elfman releases are.

That said, I was talking with a friend about how SLEEPY HOLLOW really only has one theme, and I realized that that’s what has always kind of bothered me about the score. There’s a single theme that is the main title, and it plays during Icabod’s tedious flashbacks to when he was a child, and it’s also sort of the love theme, and it also plays at the end, in a major key, when Icabod takes Christina Ricci back to New York.

I’m not sure you can say that the theme is really scoring Icabod, because you also hear it when Michael Gambon tells “The Story” of the headless horseman and at other odd times that aren’t specifically related to him. So what was Elfman scoring? The “atmosphere” of the whole movie? One of the spots where it is the most disappointing to me is at the very end, in “A New Day”. I think it comes off as underwhelming because it’s same theme we’ve cycled through DOZENS of times at this point. How has that theme changed and evolved over the last two hours? What does that say about Icabod and his journey and how he is different now? He's maybe less of a wuss, and he's been professionally vindicated, but is the music really underlining _that_?

Additionally, I really do think that the score suffers from not having a good theme for the Horseman as well. There are a couple "mysterious shit is happening" motifs that I really love, and then the Horseman has kind of a dark fanfare that you hear a lot, but all the action music is kind of like chaotic struggling most of the time. I've honestly always felt that there's something "missing" from this score, and a solid theme for the Horseman might be in, honestly. SLEEPY HOLLOW seemed to call for a big theme, obviously, and it got one. But it could have have used a few more!

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2021 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

First off, this is an instant purchase for me, as most Elfman releases are.

That said, I was talking with a friend about how SLEEPY HOLLOW really only has one theme, and I realized that that’s what has always kind of bothered me about the score. There’s a single theme that is the main title, and it plays during Icabod’s tedious flashbacks to when he was a child, and it’s also sort of the love theme, and it also plays at the end, in a major key, when Icabod takes Christina Ricci back to New York.

I’m not sure you can say that the theme is really scoring Icabod, because you also hear it when Michael Gambon tells “The Story” of the headless horseman and at other odd times that aren’t specifically related to him. So what was Elfman scoring? The “atmosphere” of the whole movie? One of the spots where it is the most disappointing to me is at the very end, in “A New Day”. I think it comes off as underwhelming because it’s same theme we’ve cycled through DOZENS of times at this point. How has that theme changed and evolved over the last two hours? What does that say about Icabod and his journey and how he is different now? He's maybe less of a wuss, and he's been professionally vindicated, but is the music really underlining _that_?

Additionally, I really do think that the score suffers from not having a good theme for the Horseman as well. There are a couple "mysterious shit is happening" motifs that I really love, and then the Horseman has kind of a dark fanfare that you hear a lot, but all the action music is kind of like chaotic struggling most of the time. I've honestly always felt that there's something "missing" from this score, and a solid theme for the Horseman might be in, honestly. SLEEPY HOLLOW seemed to call for a big theme, obviously, and it got one. But it could have have used a few more!


@ Col. Sanders: Perhaps the complete score will offer new insight. Who knows, there may even be unused themes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2021 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   ddddeeee   (Member)

Elfman's spoken a few times about this: he said that he wrote the main theme for the horseman, but it kept creeping into the flashback scenes and it ended up taking over the entire score

He knows it didn't make logical sense, but because it played the footage well, he and Burton decided to go with it

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2021 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   John Mullin   (Member)

Oh, I wasn't aware he had commented on it!

Still, I think the decision wasn't entirely right for the movie. Even the 67 minute album kind of tires me out after a while. Something like BATMAN RETURNS, by contrast, which has at least 3 major themes and always seems to have one going at nearly all times, never tires me out... not even the 2 disc LLL edition!

An aside... I think it's clearly Burton's most amazing _looking_ film, on an art direction and cinematography level. Everything he's done since has been a little bit of a disappointment because it hasn't looked as spectacular as this picture does.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2021 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

I think the music is thrilling regardless of being monothematic and I’m happy to have such an impressively thorough release. I don’t think there is an appropriate argument for a middle ground. I am always 100% in favor of getting AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE in the releases we get. COMPLETE is always the goal, and any additional materials that are available like alternates are more-than-welcome and fascinating to listen to and study.

If someone is not interested in all that material then they can just be happy with the original album release when the movie came out. But this business and the demand within it shouldn’t be geared towards “I’d like a complete release, but not TOO complete.”

To me this release should be supported as the gold standard that all releases strive to achieve. The John Williams releases have tended to be firmly in this category such as “E.T.”, “AI”, “Harry Potter”, etc.

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2021 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

If someone is not interested in all that material then they can just be happy with the original album release when the movie came out. But this business and the demand within it shouldn’t be geared towards “I’d like a complete release, but not TOO complete.”

My sentiments exactly!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2021 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

Maybe one of the CDs has the recordings of Elfman singing all the themes into a cassette recorder, while in a Jet-Liner restroom during flight?

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2021 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   Frank DeWald   (Member)

. Great work, gentlemen of Intrada.

Thanks. But Intrada's wonderful designer, Kay Marshall (not to mention other ladies on the staff), might take exception to your kind compliment. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2021 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

I think the music is thrilling regardless of being monothematic and I’m happy to have such an impressively thorough release. I don’t think there is an appropriate argument for a middle ground. I am always 100% in favor of getting AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE in the releases we get. COMPLETE is always the goal, and any additional materials that are available like alternates are more-than-welcome and fascinating to listen to and study.

I don't disagree, but at the same time the extra redundancy isn't needed. Now I know often times it's required for the release to exist in the first place but that doesn't make it any sense disappointing. And in cases like this it's still pretty easy to find the original album used so it's hardly an availability issue.

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2021 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

Bring on a 4CD edition of the only really good Elfman score for a Tim Bucton movie: ED WOOD!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2021 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   HalloweenBorg   (Member)

To me this release should be supported as the gold standard that all releases strive to achieve. The John Williams releases have tended to be firmly in this category such as “E.T.”, “AI”, “Harry Potter”, etc.


The gold standard? Do you have inside information? All you know is that it is 4 discs. I mean, what do you know that the rest of us do not?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2021 - 5:10 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)



To me this release should be supported as the gold standard that all releases strive to achieve. The John Williams releases have tended to be firmly in this category such as “E.T.”, “AI”, “Harry Potter”, etc.


The irony of this statement is that two of the three examples you give DON'T have the original album(s) in them.

 
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