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 Posted:   Sep 9, 2021 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I'm not sure I understand the whole strategy here but this is quite funny indeed. So now I'm curious where this music is coming from.


Even funnier are some of the YouTube comments from people with no reading skills.
Literally too funny.
smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2021 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

The comments are definitely entertaining, as are all the little jokes sprinkled throughout the description and track titles.

I find it funny how angrily defensive some of the people are getting whereas others are like "yeah it's fake, but I'll accept the joke."

It seems like other composers would be much harder to pull off this kind of trick for. Basically anyone who composes actual orchestral music is already a step ahead in creating a unique style and composers like Goldsmith and Williams have pretty distinctive compositional approaches.

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2021 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Even funnier are some of the YouTube comments from people with no reading skills.
Literally too funny.
smile


Considering that a huge percentage of YouTube commenters never bother to watch the videos they comment on...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2021 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

The comments are definitely entertaining, as are all the little jokes sprinkled throughout the description and track titles.

I find it funny how angrily defensive some of the people are getting whereas others are like "yeah it's fake, but I'll accept the joke."

It seems like other composers would be much harder to pull off this kind of trick for. Basically anyone who composes actual orchestral music is already a step ahead in creating a unique style and composers like Goldsmith and Williams have pretty distinctive compositional approaches.


Goldsmith and Williams? Absolutely hard to pull off.

All the other 1000 orchestral composers? Easy. Just snip any of the Marvel clips and call it something else. Most orchestral scoring are generic as hell. I am really to bet you take some orchestral scoring from Beck and you called it a score for Giacchino, people will believe it. And Zimmer definitely has a style. It is just a style that annoys a lot of people these days because everyone is copying it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2021 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

All the other 1000 orchestral composers? Easy. Just snip any of the Marvel clips and call it something else. Most orchestral scoring are generic as hell.

Nowadays for sure - I think basically anyone who started composing after 2010 / the-beginning-of-the-tentpole-franchise-frenzy is unfortunately stuck in having to create the same kind of music. There are still older composers and independent composers but there isn't a lot of variety in mainstream films.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2021 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Considering that a huge percentage of YouTube commenters never bother to watch the videos they comment on...

There's also a lot of bots / spammers on social media too. Every big campaign will have them and it's pretty much a given that the actual DUNE has them. But even for this video I'd imagine there are likely are bots programmed to comment on new things that fulfill certain keywords.

 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2021 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Considering that a huge percentage of YouTube commenters never bother to watch the videos they comment on...


Quite possibly true--in general, but not important in this particular instance.
What we are talking about here is people who posted on the soundtrack video who listened to the music and DIDN'T read the description.
They hailed the music as the Second Coming.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2021 - 5:09 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Considering that a huge percentage of YouTube commenters never bother to watch the videos they comment on...

Quite possibly true--in general, but not important in this particular instance.
What we are talking about here is people who posted on the soundtrack video who listened to the music and DIDN'T read the description.
They hailed the music as the Second Coming.


According to the description it seems like that's the point too. The comments make me think of the superficial, unexamined enjoyment of pop music by SOME of the people who consume it (not everyone). I guess Hans Zimmer is kind of like pop music in that sense where the type of music he makes is accessible enough to also bring in those superficial people, partly because it resembles popular genres of synth music, ambient music, bass drops, etc.

I would think the actual film score appreciators are more thoughtful and wouldn't be blindly posting.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2021 - 6:01 PM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

Considering that a huge percentage of YouTube commenters never bother to watch the videos they comment on...

Quite possibly true--in general, but not important in this particular instance.
What we are talking about here is people who posted on the soundtrack video who listened to the music and DIDN'T read the description.
They hailed the music as the Second Coming.


According to the description it seems like that's the point too. The comments make me think of the superficial, unexamined enjoyment of pop music by SOME of the people who consume it (not everyone). I guess Hans Zimmer is kind of like pop music in that sense where the type of music he makes is accessible enough to also bring in those superficial people, partly because it resembles popular genres of synth music, ambient music, bass drops, etc.

I would think the actual film score appreciators are more thoughtful and wouldn't be blindly posting.


Not sure sure if you are talking about YouTube but film score appreciators on YouTube? On YouTube, Zimmer has been compared to Beethoven, Mozart, "The only composer that gets me emotional," the guy that "Elfman doesn't qualify to share the same table with." I don't think there are a lot of hardcore film score fans there. This is the same group that viewed "Supermarine" on Dunkirk 11 million times, and said WW84 is "generic crap."

I am a huge Zimmer fan obviously, and I absolutely believe Zimmer's music is able to capture the emotions of people like no other, but his fan base on YouTube is absolutely ridiculous. Even Zimmer himself would cringe-blush at some of the comments.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 9, 2021 - 10:58 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

I am a huge Zimmer fan obviously, and I absolutely believe Zimmer's music is able to capture the emotions of people like no other, but his fan base on YouTube is absolutely ridiculous. Even Zimmer himself would cringe-blush at some of the comments.

That's kind of what I'm saying, I was just being light about making the point.

The popularity of Zimmer is often pointed to as being an indicator of his film score quality but I'd say the vast majority of people who are the big loud fans are vacuous and superficial. My guess is the actually thoughtful fans like yourself and some of the others on this board are probably roughly equivalent in size to the amount of fans of the more classic orchestral composers. It's just that Zimmer's music is relatively adjacent to elements of electronica, rap, pop, etc. so it's less of a musical leap for the giant mass of mainstream fans to call themselves "film soundtrack fans" after listening to some recent Zimmer tracks, in comparison to John Williams. Like, maybe some of those people like the "Star Wars theme" but I don't think those are the same people listening to the intricacies of "The Departure of Boba Fett" from THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK or deciding on the merits of "Yub Nub" vs. "Victory Celebration".

For orchestral scores, nothing in popular culture is really like a true orchestral score other than classical music, and I'm pretty sure the kids aren't really listening to that these days, so there's not really a fresh draw there.

It's funny because I wonder if these giant fans would enjoy BROKEN ARROW or THE ROCK. Those were just trashy loud melodic fun with some parts that were also anonymous action noise. It would be great to play a track from Interstellar back to back with the frenetic action music of "Hammerhead" from BROKEN ARROW and get reactions.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2021 - 1:15 AM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

I think Thin Red Line is his best score, it hints at sensitivies we rarely see in his scores. He has a tendency now to find a hook or gimick with each project ( the organ in Interstellar) and beat it to death.


Certainly doesn't seem capable of the intricacies of a score like The Empire Strikes Back.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2021 - 3:01 AM   
 By:   ROBERT Z   (Member)

I am really disappointed by Zimmer's performance for his Dune, it's very simplistic and uninspired, a lot of new age music without originality. I expected a memorable score which would have given this Dune a unique sound experience in the absence of more elaborate music.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2021 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

I suppose in his defence the 1984 film went big and bombastic with it's almost biblical main theme so it's likely an attempt to go with a different approach (and it's no doubt partly what Villeneuve wanted).

The shadow of an earlier film can always be pressing, re: BR2049 and of course Matrix 4 coming up.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2021 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

I think Thin Red Line is his best score, it hints at sensitivies we rarely see in his scores. He has a tendency now to find a hook or gimick with each project ( the organ in Interstellar) and beat it to death.


Certainly doesn't seem capable of the intricacies of a score like The Empire Strikes Back.


Interstellar is my all time favorite score and a score that literally made the movie so if that is a gimmick, please give me more gimmicks like that.

Actually if there is any gimmick that came out of Interstellar, it is not the organ, it is the clock ticks. It is not the first time he used it, but certainly the film that made it a staple in Zimmer's resume.

I also don't think "intricacies" are necessary for a great film score. The Empire Strikes Back works great for The Empire Strikes Back, but it won't work in Interstellar.

 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2021 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

Interstellar is my all time favorite score and a score that literally made the movie so if that is a gimmick, please give me more gimmicks like that.

Actually if there is any gimmick that came out of Interstellar, it is not the organ, it is the clock ticks. It is not the first time he used it, but certainly the film that made it a staple in Zimmer's resume.


Too bad Morricone used that decades before Zimmer "invented" it, right?





 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2021 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

Interstellar is my all time favorite score and a score that literally made the movie so if that is a gimmick, please give me more gimmicks like that.

Actually if there is any gimmick that came out of Interstellar, it is not the organ, it is the clock ticks. It is not the first time he used it, but certainly the film that made it a staple in Zimmer's resume.


Too bad Morricone used that decades before Zimmer "invented" it, right?





Never said Zimmer "invented" it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2021 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

Interstellar is my all time favorite score and a score that literally made the movie so if that is a gimmick, please give me more gimmicks like that.

Actually if there is any gimmick that came out of Interstellar, it is not the organ, it is the clock ticks. It is not the first time he used it, but certainly the film that made it a staple in Zimmer's resume.


Too bad Morricone used that decades before Zimmer "invented" it, right?





Never said Zimmer "invented" it.


But you thought he did...

Now you know the truth.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2021 - 5:30 PM   
 By:   ClaytonMG   (Member)

Interstellar is my all time favorite score and a score that literally made the movie so if that is a gimmick, please give me more gimmicks like that.

Actually if there is any gimmick that came out of Interstellar, it is not the organ, it is the clock ticks. It is not the first time he used it, but certainly the film that made it a staple in Zimmer's resume.

Too bad Morricone used that decades before Zimmer "invented" it, right?

Never said Zimmer "invented" it.


What an odd thing for someone to try to start any argument with you about. Almost like "this person used a piano" and them coming back with "BUT THIS PERSON USED A PIANO FIRST." Completely irrelevant by par for the course when it comes to the Zimmer bashing around here.

 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2021 - 5:45 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

What an odd thing for someone to try to start any argument with you about. Almost like "this person used a piano" and them coming back with "BUT THIS PERSON USED A PIANO FIRST." Completely irrelevant by par for the course when it comes to the Zimmer bashing around here.


I'm not so sure that it's irrelevant.
Some would say it's an honest response to Zimmer fans who gush about how innovative and groundbreaking Zimmer is.
Such claims practically beg for scrutiny.

 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2021 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

Interstellar is my all time favorite score and a score that literally made the movie so if that is a gimmick, please give me more gimmicks like that.

Actually if there is any gimmick that came out of Interstellar, it is not the organ, it is the clock ticks. It is not the first time he used it, but certainly the film that made it a staple in Zimmer's resume.

Too bad Morricone used that decades before Zimmer "invented" it, right?

Never said Zimmer "invented" it.


What an odd thing for someone to try to start any argument with you about. Almost like "this person used a piano" and them coming back with "BUT THIS PERSON USED A PIANO FIRST." Completely irrelevant by par for the course when it comes to the Zimmer bashing around here.


I agree with you if "using a Piano" was the case here and not an almost note-for-note copy from Morricone's work.

But I understand it is not easy to learn that the "best composer of all times" is just someone who clone music from old obscure scores by real musicians...

 
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