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 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 7:47 AM   
 By:   Tom Guernsey   (Member)

Bernard Herrmann turned down Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey if I remember correctly, because he wanted twice as much money because of Kubrick throwing out Alex North's score.

Jerry Goldsmith turned-down Star Trek II.


No he didn't. They couldn't afford him and, even if they could, Meyer has been clear in interviews he wanted to go in a different direction and start fresh with the music.


That was my understanding, at least in terms of cost. In some ways, Meyer got lucky that James Horner turned out to be as good as he hoped. Picking someone that relatively obscure could have gone horribly wrong, especially given how great Jerry's original is. His gamble paid off with Cliff Eidelman too.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Many senior citizens criticize younger people for not possessing the moral standards of previous generations.
Rozsa was not the only one, either.



And yet, they aren't called dirty young men, are they?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

I'm not sure Rozsa was offered Body Heat. According to Lawrence Kasdan he met with several composers to gauge their responses to the film and what they might offer. I take it that while meeting with Rozsa, Rozsa just said he wasn't interested. To my knowledge, Kasdan has never mentioned who any pf these composers were other that Barry.


That sounds about right. And, no, I've seen no evidence that Rozsa was ever approached re Star Wars. I do believe he was approached by M-G-M a few times during his years away from movies. The Yellow Rolls Royce and Maya have been mentioned. He did say he was uninterested in The Bad and the Beautiful, because he couldn't imagine writing music to glorify a Hollywood producer. It's not clear if he was specifically asked to score that film, but a request to Metro's top composer would have been likely.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

I’m still blown away that Richard Band was approached for The Terminator, only to turn down the project because there wasn’t enough in the budget to pay him.

I remember this story a bit differently. The way I remember it, Richard Band was their choice of composer when the idea was for "The Terminator" to have an orchestral score. When it was decided to go with a synthesizer score, they passed on Band and went to somebody more experienced with electronic music. I recall this being from an interview with Band conducted around the time his promo "Up and Down" first came out, over twenty years ago. The website this interview was posted on has been down for many, many years and I don't remember the name of it, but if it ever occurs to me (or anybody else here) we should be able to access it via web.archive.org, which will confirm (or not) my memory.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Many senior citizens criticize younger people for not possessing the moral standards of previous generations.
Rozsa was not the only one, either.



And yet, they aren't called dirty young men, are they?


Dirty young men are likely referred to as simply trash.

Dirty old men would love to cavort like the dirty young men, no doubt.

... senior citizens include old hags, too.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

I neglected to mention Malcolm Arnold ... who after winning an Academy Award for The Bridge on the River Kwai refused David Lean's Lawrence of Arabia.

Arnold also used his Oscar as a door opener.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Didn't Richard Donner want Jerry Goldsmith for Superman?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Didn't Richard Donner want Jerry Goldsmith for Superman?

I'm glad they went with Williams, I never cared for Goldsmith's SUPERGIRL score which his SUPERMAN score probably would have sounded like.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   HAL 2000   (Member)

I'm not sure Rozsa was offered Body Heat. According to Lawrence Kasdan he met with several composers to gauge their responses to the film and what they might offer. I take it that while meeting with Rozsa, Rozsa just said he wasn't interested. To my knowledge, Kasdan has never mentioned who any pf these composers were other that Barry.


That sounds about right. And, no, I've seen no evidence that Rozsa was ever approached re Star Wars. I do believe he was approached by M-G-M a few times during his years away from movies. The Yellow Rolls Royce and Maya have been mentioned. He did say he was uninterested in The Bad and the Beautiful, because he couldn't imagine writing music to glorify a Hollywood producer. It's not clear if he was specifically asked to score that film, but a request to Metro's top composer would have been likely.


Neither can I now but I distinctly remember reading in an issue of Cinemascore back in the 80s that he said that he was approached with the project and turned it down because in his words, "I'm too much of a terrestrial creature". I can see it happening because Lucas wanted the romantic wall-to-wall type of score that Rosza was famous for.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Didn't Richard Donner want Jerry Goldsmith for Superman?

They went back and forth between Williams and Goldsmith as their busy schedules kept changing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   HAL 2000   (Member)

Didn't Richard Donner want Jerry Goldsmith for Superman?

I'm glad they went with Williams, I never cared for Goldsmith's SUPERGIRL score which his SUPERMAN score probably would have sounded like.


I doubt that very much. They ended up being two very different movies at different times in Goldsmith's career (he was much less immersed in electronic effects in 1978). Different director and different production values as well between the two movies. Goldsmith would have eaten up the early Krypton and Smallville scenes with stuff of equal greatness with Williams.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)

Williams reportedly fainted during a screening of THE SENTINEL, not sure how accurate that is though. He also turned down QUINTET and INCHON.

The bitterest one for me will always be John Barry and GOLDENEYE. I don't fault Barry for wanting more money, but damn, that movie was tailor-made for a great Barry 007 score. (Speaking of which, I remember hearing that Goldsmith turned down THE SPY WHO LOVED ME out of respect for Barry.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Williams reportedly fainted during a screening of THE SENTINEL, not sure how accurate that is though. He also turned down QUINTET and INCHON.

The bitterest one for me will always be John Barry and GOLDENEYE. I don't fault Barry for wanting more money, but damn, that movie was tailor-made for a great Barry 007 score. (Speaking of which, I remember hearing that Goldsmith turned down THE SPY WHO LOVED ME out of respect for Barry.)


We could have had a great score by Barry, instead we got Serra. I did like Hamlisch's work on THE SPY WHO LOVED ME however.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   tiomkinfan   (Member)

Reportedly due to upcoming eye surgery, Dimitri Tiomkin dropped out of How the West Was Won, opening the way for Alfred Newman to compose one of his most epic scores.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

When it comes to these later Bond films, I've seen various reasons for Barry not scoring them: he wanted too much money, his agent's wanted too much money, then of course tax issues which ultimately prevented him from handling the films. It was all doomed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

In his interview for the BBC "Sound of Cinema" programme a couple of years back, David Shire revealed that he was offered ROCKY and THE BIG BUS, and chose to do the latter.

Elmer Bernstein was approached to work on GHOSTBUSTERS II but chose not to, despite the extravagant fee involved. He also claimed to have turned down the chance to do THE GREEN BERETS, for other, em, reasons...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   alepa   (Member)

Morricone for "A Clockwork Orange"

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

I'm not sure Rozsa was offered Body Heat. According to Lawrence Kasdan he met with several composers to gauge their responses to the film and what they might offer. I take it that while meeting with Rozsa, Rozsa just said he wasn't interested. To my knowledge, Kasdan has never mentioned who any pf these composers were other that Barry.


That sounds about right. And, no, I've seen no evidence that Rozsa was ever approached re Star Wars. I do believe he was approached by M-G-M a few times during his years away from movies. The Yellow Rolls Royce and Maya have been mentioned. He did say he was uninterested in The Bad and the Beautiful, because he couldn't imagine writing music to glorify a Hollywood producer. It's not clear if he was specifically asked to score that film, but a request to Metro's top composer would have been likely.


Rozsa also said he turned down "Mommie Dearest" and "Airplane" (interview with David and Richard Kraft https://cnmsarchive.wordpress.com/2013/06/28/miklos-rozsa/).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Didn’t Rozsa also turn down MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY?

I also remember a funny story about Herrmann refusing William Friedkin’s offer to score THE EXORCIST. After a screening, Friedkin told him, “Why don’t you give me a score like CITIZEN KANE?” To which Herrmann responded, “Why won’t you give me a picture like CITIZEN KANE!”

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2022 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

My site:
http://rejectedfilmscores.125mb.com/supposedly.html

 
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