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 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   richsto   (Member)

The multi-track transfers in 2011 for 2012 LLL release were done in expectation of Director's Edition happening shortly after. We didn't think it would be a 10 year wait, but the material sat around ready to go and Atmos fortuitously came on the scene in the interim. For the soundtrack, the mixes are the same as last time, but it was an opportunity to fix anything remaining that was at all bothersome to my ear. Upgrades are esoteric in character and likely wouldn't be noticeable on an average listen. But there is one distinction about the new edition to note when the release info is posted by La-La Land next week. We should leave it there and each person can make a decision then.



Perfect, understand now. Looking forward to the Atmos track on the forthcoming 4K.

Thank you Mike!!!

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

"inner Workings" is the updated version, of course. I don't see this as a "pruned" release, but rather as the new official soundtrack, with a previous version containing numerous tracks geared toward collectors. It shouldn't be hard to figure out what those are.

There is your answer, Scotty Boy. big grin big grin big grin

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

... Did Jim Titus re-use the Star Trek II title from La-La Land's recent release for this? It may be the same Star Trek Film typeface, but the font is totally TWOK. That's disappointing.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   Cameron007   (Member)

"inner Workings" is the updated version, of course. I don't see this as a "pruned" release, but rather as the new official soundtrack, with a previous version containing numerous tracks geared toward collectors. It shouldn't be hard to figure out what those are.

Will this include a discrete film version of the Main Title? That's something I would personally love. A minor detail, probably, but would be cool.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)


Will this include a discrete film version of the Main Title? That's something I would personally love. A minor detail, probably, but would be cool.




If just one or two tracks are different to the versions in the 3CD set, and as this new release is an all-Paramount release and nothing to do with Sony (as explained to us above), it would be interesting to know if Paramount Music label will be placing the new release on Qobuz, with a choice of hi-def and CD-quality downloads, with all tracks available individually and relatively cheaply, like they have already done with LLL's very recent "It's a Wonderful Life".

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

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 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

This new 2-CD edition is the official tie-in soundtrack to the forthcoming STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE: THE DIRECTOR’S EDITION, premiering this year on the Paramount Plus streaming service. Post-Production Supervisor/Associate Producer Mike Matessino co-produces the album with Bruce Botnick, handling restoration, editing and assembly of the music.

This edition definitively presents the full film score on CD1, continuing through the start of CD2. The program now begins with the long version of the “Overture,” reflective of “The Director’s Edition,” with the short version heard in 1979 now kicking off a section of “Alternates” on CD2, which feature early versions of major score cues that were later reworked. Closing out the presentation is the enduring 1979 soundtrack album program, now re-created from the remixed first generation master material for consistent and superior sound quality throughout the set.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 4:04 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

"inner Workings" is the updated version, of course. I don't see this as a "pruned" release, but rather as the new official soundtrack, with a previous version containing numerous tracks geared toward collectors. It shouldn't be hard to figure out what those are.

So, I'm going to guess that the "alternate score cues" have been dropped from this 2CD.

EDIT: Ah, no, per LLL's post above, looks like the early score cues and album presentation is there, and it's the other alternates that have been dropped.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Closing out the presentation is the enduring 1979 soundtrack album program, now re-created from the remixed first generation master material for consistent and superior sound quality throughout the set.

This is true of the 3 disc version too, right?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   Cameron007   (Member)

Closing out the presentation is the enduring 1979 soundtrack album program, now re-created from the remixed first generation master material for consistent and superior sound quality throughout the set.

This is true of the 3 disc version too, right?


I thought the 3-CD set used the original album masters, rather than rebuilding the OST presentation.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Closing out the presentation is the enduring 1979 soundtrack album program, now re-created from the remixed first generation master material for consistent and superior sound quality throughout the set.

This is true of the 3 disc version too, right?


I thought the 3-CD set used the original album masters, rather than rebuilding the OST presentation.


Just listening again and you're right. Hmmm... dilemma.... improved sonics vs classic (nostalgic) dynamics of original album...?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

The notes in the 3CD set say the late and much-respected arranger/pianist, Ian Fraser, created the long and short versions of the Overture, with the short version selected for the original release for no better reason than it fitted Reel 1 without any cutting required.
I prefer the performance and pacing of the shorter version, which sounds to me more in keeping with the feel of the score, rather than the somehow more concert-like longer version.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   tex1272   (Member)

So glad its coming back for the 10th anniversary of the first set. TMP should always be available.

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

It's one of those scores I can not resist buying every version even for small improvements (like I would also do with Poltergeist, Jaws, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Vertigo, Conan) - this is my favorite Star Trek soundtrack and one of my top 5 favorite Goldsmith's scores.

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 5:45 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

"inner Workings" is the updated version, of course. I don't see this as a "pruned" release, but rather as the new official soundtrack, with a previous version containing numerous tracks geared toward collectors. It shouldn't be hard to figure out what those are.

So, I'm going to guess that the "alternate score cues" have been dropped from this 2CD.

EDIT: Ah, no, per LLL's post above, looks like the early score cues and album presentation is there, and it's the other alternates that have been dropped.


Yes, like all of those alternate incorrect takes that we included for no reason other than because they were on the 1999 release.... wrong takes expanded by a company that didn't have the rights to the album at the time and who basically told off the director of the movie. But at least it padded out a third CD and allowed us to include the beam and synth material, false starts with chit-chat and the two cover recordings. We made lemonade and the set certainly remains collectable for those tracks.

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   erepel   (Member)

"... but the actions of certain parties caused Paramount to cave not only to let the release come out but also led to us being prevented from including an isolated score track as well the alternate score synced to picture on the DVD that finally came out in 2001."

Then, with respect to the 4K Blu-ray of the DE that will follow after the Paramount+ streaming window, is this a hint that it will include "an isolated score track as well the alternate score synced to picture"? Please?

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

The notes in the 3CD set say the late and much-respected arranger/pianist, Ian Fraser, created the long and short versions of the Overture, with the short version selected for the original release for no better reason than it fitted Reel 1 without any cutting required.
I prefer the performance and pacing of the shorter version, which sounds to me more in keeping with the feel of the score, rather than the more concert-like longer version.


Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated.

The original album track, "Ilia's Theme," which features Ian Fraser on piano, is not the same as the Overture. The 1999 release moved it to the start of the CD because they didn't know the difference. It's 100% a track recorded for album.

The long version of the "Overture" features a French horn rather than piano. The second half of it is identical to the short version, which they used in 1979 to keep the reel running time down, yes. The 2012 LLL set had both but started with the short version; now we start with the long one.

As for "Ilia's Theme" -- it has ONLY been heard sourced from the live stereo mix off the 1630 digital master. Until now.

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

As for "Ilia's Theme" -- it has ONLY been heard sourced from the live stereo mix off the 1630 digital master. Until now.

Oh, myyyyyyy....

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 6:01 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

The notes in the 3CD set say the late and much-respected arranger/pianist, Ian Fraser, created the long and short versions of the Overture, with the short version selected for the original release for no better reason than it fitted Reel 1 without any cutting required.
I prefer the performance and pacing of the shorter version, which sounds to me more in keeping with the feel of the score, rather than the more concert-like longer version.


Non sequitur. Your facts are uncoordinated.

The original album track, "Ilia's Theme," which features Ian Fraser on piano, is not the same as the Overture. The 1999 release moved it to the start of the CD because they didn't know the difference. It's 100% a track recorded for album.

The long version of the "Overture" features a French horn rather than piano. The second half of it is identical to the short version, which they used in 1979 to keep the reel running time down, yes. The 2012 LLL set had both but started with the short version; now we start with the long one.

As for "Ilia's Theme" -- it has ONLY been heard sourced from the live stereo mix off the 1630 digital master. Until now.




I understand that. When I said, "...with the short version selected for the original release" I was (misleadingly) referring to my 3CD release as the original versus the new version. I should have said previous edition. Whatever, your answer was clear, thanks.


So here's another question...
Now we are about to get Ilia's theme in sound quality exactly matching the excellent full score presentation (having previously been of slightly lesser album sound quality), where in the full score would be the best place to program it, if one so wanted? Within the score at some particular point? Or to replace the Overture?

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2022 - 6:05 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

Suddenly the crude nature of the 1999 release is starting to make some sense. Very audible musicians in the background, some rogue instrument going off when it's not supposed to, and the sloppy editing. Who thought 'Inner Workings' on that release was a good idea? It skips the opening moments of the track and completely cuts off the last section where the Wind Machine is supposed to take place.

 
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