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 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

She didn’t frame him, she just did the murder and he became the obvious suspect.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I remember in 1990 looking at this CD in Tower Records and being shocked that the tracklist contained a spoiler (we didn't call them that then) for the big twist!

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I remember in 1990 looking at this CD in Tower Records and being shocked that the tracklist contained a spoiler (we didn't call them that then) for the big twist!

He did it again with Phantom Menace!

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   HalloweenBorg   (Member)

I wanted the OST presentation on a second disc. Boo! Hiss!!!!

See, given your smily I assume you were joking.....and personally they was they did this is absolutely the best way to do it IMO -- you've got the full score, and only the actual changed tracks from the album are included. Suffice it to say I had no hesitation pulling the trigger on this one.


This is exactly how it should be done. Well done Varese and pretty good sale as well on top of it.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

JEFF BOND:


She had left the glass with his fingerprints on it near the body---that's framing him.

I still don't understand what her motive and end result was supposed to be.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)


I still don't understand what her motive and end result was supposed to be.


My memory of this one is shaky, but I thought it was revenge for the affair. I guess if he went to jail she'd have "won" in some sense.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   Mike Petersen   (Member)

I think she knew that the entire trial would uncover deep corruption in the courts and thus be completely swept under the carpet, so everybody gets off the hook, AND she has revenge for the affair.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

A new adaptation of the book is in the works as a limited series for Apple TV+, so maybe this will all be cleared up.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 8:56 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

I was listening to Maurizio Caschetto's recent interview with Michael Matessino and I was surprised to learn how popular PRESUMED INNOCENT had been in 1990 - it was the eighth-highest grossing film of the year at $86M domestic, $221M worldwide.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 9:35 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

Read the book.

Saw this in a theater.

Feeling old.

Yes, it was quite successful.

Harrison Ford criticized for the haircut.

Graham

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2022 - 11:01 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Presumed Innocent was a $35M mystery/drama based on a novel and without special effects - and it was the eighth-highest grossing film of the year. Times have indeed changed.

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 1:13 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Presumed Innocent was a $35M mystery/drama based on a novel and without special effects - and it was the eighth-highest grossing film of the year. Times have indeed changed.

Mid-level budget movies like it don't exist anymore. Films are ridiculously and unnecessarily over-expensive now because they are required to be blockbusters or huge IPs. Only the really rare independent stuff now is low budget.

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 1:30 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Of course, even Presumed Innocent got only made because it was based on a hugely popular bestseller.

The shocking thing is: audiences went to see it, despite Ford not playing an action hero.

Would audiences go to see a star not playing his image today?

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 3:47 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Harrison Ford criticized for the haircut.


He later noted Kevin Costner had the same haircut in The Bodyguard.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)

I wanted the OST presentation on a second disc. Boo! Hiss!!!!

thanks for letting us knows. didn't realize that the OST was not on the expanded version but I still have the original

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

didn't realize that the OST was not on the expanded version but I still have the original

Except it is, as noted above.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Presumed Innocent was a $35M mystery/drama based on a novel and without special effects - and it was the eighth-highest grossing film of the year. Times have indeed changed.

Mid-level budget movies like it don't exist anymore. Films are ridiculously and unnecessarily over-expensive now because they are required to be blockbusters or huge IPs. Only the really rare independent stuff now is low budget.


A colleague in the movie marketing biz once explained to me that marketing costs jumped over the 1990s and early 2000s. A campaign that once cost $5M - $15M now was at least $40M and it simply made no sense to spend that kind of money on a film that cost less than $150M. Also the cost of making films jumped as well. As fewer movies were released and most of them were safe bet special effects franchises the older audiences that supported character dramas drifted away. And here we are. And I for one am bored to death with superheroes.

Of course, even Presumed Innocent got only made because it was based on a hugely popular bestseller.

Actually it was Scott Turow’s first book and the deal was done before the book was published. I think the producers bidding for it knew it was a good story and courtroom thrillers were popular then.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

I can watched the film again last night for the first time in decades. It holds up surprisingly well. Solid performances all around. Raul Julia was outstanding - we lost him far too soon. Brian Dennehy chews scenery entertainingly. The real surprise is the vulnerability of Ford’s performance. Rusty is a rather self absorbed and self pitying man and Ford really let himself disappear into that character. Bonnie Bedelia’s final scene is just brilliant.

As for motive: Barbara framed him believing that he would realize that she had done it, would bury the evidence and would label the case “unsolved.” Then their life together could resume. She’s plainly suffering from clinical depression throughout the story and she and Rusty discuss his affair openly right from the beginning. She’s completely emotionally dependent on him and that and her illness pushed her toward murder. It simply took Rusty too long to see where the evidence was leading because he was still grappling with Carolyn’s death and his unresolved obsession with her.

Greta Scacchi’s Carolyn is unashamedly sleeping her way to the top. We learn her past is a complete enigma but there is a hint she came from poverty or possibly an abusive background. Each man in her life has gotten her through law school or to the next rung in her career. She seduces Rusty believing he’s on the fast track to high office. When she learns he’s too loyal to his boss to move against him she drops him cold and seduces his boss. I mention this because I’ll be curious to see how this kind of office sexual politics will be handled by Apple+ or whomever in the post “Me Too” era. There are still plenty of soap opera plot lines on tv but I’m not sure I’ve seen a depiction like Carolyn in quite a while. She seems more a product of the “Fatal Attraction” era.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 7:48 AM   
 By:   digitalfreaknyc   (Member)

A new adaptation of the book is in the works as a limited series for Apple TV+, so maybe this will all be cleared up.

Are you serious??? Ugh. Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2022 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

Of course, even Presumed Innocent got only made because it was based on a hugely popular bestseller.

The shocking thing is: audiences went to see it, despite Ford not playing an action hero.

Would audiences go to see a star not playing his image today?



If made today..it would only be a TV Movie of the Week..or Streamed.

 
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